AMD Users

[[∞]MadMike]

Anyone that has a AMD system. How are they coping with BF3 beta. Am looking at going this way from an i5. ready for the new 8 core chip (if it ever eventuates) what sort of speeds are you getting out of them. I know there allot cheaper than a i5/7 system but... I want to play.

[Retardobot]

Swindle has reported (by what sounds like) some diabolical speeds and has chosen to go the way of the i5/i7.

Wait for him to drop some real.

[winter]

I'm running an 1100T @3.84GHz stable (stock cooling, not exceeding 70degrees) and a 6970 2GB and am having no issues, I had no noticeable graphics lag
running on the BETA ultra.

[Speakman]

My system ran BF3 beta perfectly fine on the default GFX settings


Phenom II x4 955 (at stock 3.2GHz)
8GB Ripjaw
HD6970 2GB

don't think it ever dropped below 60 frames


will be overclocking for release, and probably picking up an FX chip if the prices are right closer to Xmas

[kongkiwi]

No problems, 955 BE at stock 3.2.
8gb ram
Sli 560 ti

Will look at 1100T shortly when price drops on Bulldozer release....

[[∞]MadMike]

Anyone know what the advantages are with the 6 core if any? and idea on release of the bulldozer ?

[[∞]MadMike]

Kong should call in so I can ask questions :D

[aLi3nZ]

I am running an AMD X6 1055t @ 3.5Ghz on stock voltage and cooling (stock is 2.6Ghz x6, 6GB ram, a cheap motherboard and a 5850 - Good bang for buck, the CPU is available for $230 incl GST.

I was getting around 85fps on low 1680x1050 and 65fps on medium. I plan on getting another 5850 when I get some more $$$.

[[∞]MadMike]

Hmm yeah would be putting a 580 into it so GPU not an issue. has anyone OCed with good results?

[winter]

I'm going to assume having 6-cores spreads the load a little bit more - my CPU usage never really went over 70% on Caspian border..
and there was some insane shit goin' on in them bloody 64p Aussie servers :O

[swindle]

You already have an i5?

I don't understand why you'd want to change chip?

Here's the scoop boss, and trust me, if i'm not here i'm over at OCN reading the Bulldozer blog. Going from the i5 to anything AMD is going backwards. More backwards then an inbred Amish family.

We should see official benchmarks for the 8150 (the 8 core chip, not 6 as you stated (but yes, there will be a 6 core module) today sometime and i'm watching the situation like a Hawk on heat. If any leaked benchmarks hold truth, then it will perform the same as the 1090T, worse then the i5, but slightly better then the X4.

[kongkiwi]

I like being Amish, the inbredding is just a bonus.

I went with AMD about 7 years ago, and haven't gone back. No reason to change.

For the sake of running a game is AMD so bad Swindle, your 955 not doin it for you anymore? I can understand if you have other needs for a computer other than gaming (???) to switch to Intel.

[mattnz]

Gimme a yell if you wanna sell one of yo AMDs :P

[[∞]MadMike]

Hmm so perhaps spending money on a better cooler / case and staying I5 is the way to go....
MY I5 is a lynfield 750 clocked out to between 3.2 and 4ghz depending on pub or scrim though. getting high 70's at 3.8 and above and high 60's any other time. running a H70 cooler...

Was sort of hoping the new pro coming out would have been better than an I5 ?

[Speakman]

wait for the benchmarks and see. they should be out any day now (Bulldozer only releases today/tomorrow).


in the meantime, its not worth going to an AM3 quad/hex core chip from a 750

[swindle]

Gimme a yell if you wanna sell one of yo AMDs :P

Expect a PM in the next few days then.

[[∞]MadMike]

Not looking good aye swindle

[swindle]

Trade you my X4 and motherboard for your i5 and motherboard?

[=C=]

MadMike;1434093']Anyone that has a AMD system. How are they coping with BF3 beta. Am looking at going this way from an i5. ready for the new 8 core chip (if it ever eventuates) what sort of speeds are you getting out of them. I know there allot cheaper than a i5/7 system but... I want to play.

Stick with the i5.

[kongkiwi]

If I was a wealthy Bait Shop owner, I would go i7 and whack your 580 for a win win...but alas I don't own a bait shop....

[pablo d]

MadMike;1434093']Anyone that has a AMD system. How are they coping with BF3 beta. Am looking at going this way from an i5. ready for the new 8 core chip (if it ever eventuates) what sort of speeds are you getting out of them. I know there allot cheaper than a i5/7 system but... I want to play.

The new 8 cores are built on a whole new architecture so can't be compared to anything else from AMD.

I have an 8-core set up at the moment though if there's anything you want me to test.

[swindle]

The new 8 cores are built on a whole new architecture so can't be compared to anything else from AMD.

I have an 8-core set up at the moment though if there's anything you want me to test.

Have you read ANY benchmarks?

They are not a true 8 core CPU either. That's a load of marketing BS.

And of course you can compare them to older chips. How else are you supposed to know if they are better or not if you don't compare them? At the end of the day, if you have a new CPU, that is crunching the same numbers as your old CPU, and doing it at the same speed (64583 cores @ 34.666776GHz or not) then its a failure.

A very BIG failure.

[kongkiwi]

Intel fanboi?

[swindle]

Lol?

Are you for real bro?

[Nostargate]

Dang swindle is as much a intel fanboi as bob is straight.

[swindle]

The truth has been spoken.

[Obble]

Dang swindle is as much a intel fanboi as bob is straight.

+10

[mycoolcar]

But... you and munchie... is she a he?

[swindle]

It gets messy beyond this point.

Remember, what has been seen, cannot be unseen.

[swindle]

Huge blowout.


Despite the nice specifications, there are some considerations we must take into account. Even though we say "eight cores", and AMD uses that term also, the Bulldozer architecture doesn't actually have eight true cores. The Bulldozer module's resource sharing of execution and front-end units means the FX chip will be weak in several ares of computing. Despite having the Turbo speed of 4.2GHz, the CPU falls very short in single-threaded (or even lightly-threaded) processes, even below the old Phenom II CPU's at lower clockspeed. We saw an example of this in some games, and in benchmarks like AIDA64, where the low floating point performance of the FX CPU resulted in performance lower than almost any other CPU.

[Obble]

But... you and munchie... is she a he?

Not really, I'm just comfortable with my sexuality, that being called gay doesn't make me turn into a stone age ape.

Me = straight, munchie = passable as female = no problems.

@Swindle, i am dissapoint AMD, you nearly got my hopes up, and to crash and burn like the hindenberg, for shame.

[swindle]

Bro, that is my entire upgrade path, shattered.

The whole idea of my build was FX.

This is really really bad news.

[[∞]MadMike]

HMM I5 not looking so bad now... guess I7 next though aye.

@Kong. I though Bean counters were rolling in money? oh wait :P

[Obble]

Bro, that is my entire upgrade path, shattered.

The whole idea of my build was FX.

This is really really bad news.

Yeh, i was planning on going from my x4 955 to a FX, nope.jpg i5 now, ive only ever used AMD till now ;_;

[swindle]

Another AMD supporter, jumping to SS Intel.

Can't be blamed, and I want to run BF3 like a pro, not half ass.

i5 2500k next week, or, anytime so long as its before launch.

[Xsannz]

glad i skipped out and went to intel now.

[philo-sofa]

Bob is sexually optimal, that's all I can say...

AMD's Bulldozer though... Jesus guys WTF were you thinking (for the past five years)?

[swindle]

(for the past five years)?

Bro, that is just the thing.

Shit, 5 years, and this? 5 years?

I'm lost for words. To make things even worse for AMD, Ivy is getting closer and closer, they will literally fall off the map for anyone wanting game performance.

[Obble]

Bob is sexually optimal, that's all I can say...

woot

[Emrico1]

A mild death

[RightHandOnly]

Hey swindle,

Reading the bulldozer stuff.....it seems that its still catch up to the i7 quad(with hyperthreading) and intel 6 core chips from amd???

Is that your take ??

the big thing is its going to run real hot.....(well ths the speculation)...not sure i would want that extra in case heat

[Kaizer]

i5 2500k, cheaper, less heat, better gaming performance.

[kongkiwi]

Lol?

Are you for real bro?

not at all, I had a disclaimer once, that stated everything I posted was likely to be a joke.

Moving on, http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007671%2050001028%20600213784&IsNodeId=1&name=Eight-Core

not that impressive at all

[PrinceTuiTeka]

Another AMD supporter, jumping to SS Intel.


Welcome aboard, stow your luggage and enjoy the cruise.

[winter]

Hah, I feel like the only one that doesn't see any issues with my current 1100T which is laying to waste Rage, BF3 Beta ultra and Dirt3 (came free with Graphics card, don't judge me)

AMD haters gon hate.

[jsc123]

Hah, I feel like the only one that doesn't see any issues with my current 1100T which is laying to waste Rage, BF3 Beta ultra and Dirt3 (came free with Graphics card, don't judge me)

AMD haters gon hate.

Yep my 1055T at 3.5GHZ has taken everything I've thrown at it no problems.

I think people get confused between the fastest chip, and the fastest chip for their money. When I bought my CPU there were faster Intel CPU's around. But guess what? They cost more! It's all about the performance per dollar baby. I also found the AMD motherboards were cheaper than their Intel counterparts, and I only had to buy dual channel ram!

[5loth]

At the end of the day when gaming is your benchmark CPU isn't all that important anyway in most cases (as above for Winter).

So why people were getting such a chubby waiting for Bulldozer anyway always surprised me.

Sadly somehow it appears Bulldozer has actually gone backwards in that regard and still managed to not keep up with existing CPUs in gaming.

[O-L-W-A-G]

@mike: Those temps for your 750 = WTF? I get 71C max at 3.8 with HT on (860 with H50). Try 3.2-3.4 and how much load was your CPU under during beta (%) mine was at about 60% peak on caspian 64p

[=C=]

MadMike;1434543']HMM I5 not looking so bad now... guess I7 next though aye.

@Kong. I though Bean counters were rolling in money? oh wait :P

Purely for gaming, you won't notice a difference between i5 and i7. i7 will run a lil hotter because of HT cores.

[=C=]

Another AMD supporter, jumping to SS Intel.

Can't be blamed, and I want to run BF3 like a pro, not half ass.

i5 2500k next week, or, anytime so long as its before launch.

I've been using AMD CPU's/Mobo's for years and i've jumped the ship long for the i7 860 I have now. The only downside of Intel is, (no backwards/forwards compatibility). AMD has AM2/AM3, AM3 + all on the same board... Intel releases new CPU's ie the 2nd gen i5/i7 on a different socket. fucking kents! 1155 vs 1156...

[Meat2Potatos]

Ivy bridge will be compatible with p67/z68 with bios updates so they say.

[kilabee]

I've been using AMD CPU's/Mobo's for years and i've jumped the ship long for the i7 860 I have now. The only downside of Intel is, (no backwards/forwards compatibility). AMD has AM2/AM3, AM3 + all on the same board... Intel releases new CPU's ie the 2nd gen i5/i7 on a different socket. fucking kents! 1155 vs 1156...

I feel your pain.I wish I had held out a little longer for gen 2.In saying that the 860 still eats green berets for breakfast.

[Growler]

Ivy bridge will be compatible with p67/z68 with bios updates so they say.

Correct, my board already ready for it. with latest bios update.

[swindle]

Hey swindle,

Reading the bulldozer stuff.....it seems that its still catch up to the i7 quad(with hyperthreading) and intel 6 core chips from amd???

Is that your take ??

the big thing is its going to run real hot.....(well ths the speculation)...not sure i would want that extra in case heat

It catches and beats the i7 in same things, only just, and not many things, and was shown to be 13% slower in single threaded apps then an old E6700. That's a C2D from 2006...

Guess what? Much of the stuff you do is single threaded, many games still use single thread, and many games to come still will I imagine. Its crazy power consumption is concerning.

So far, I'd still recommend that PII X6 over it. Tell you what, that X6 is still a killer processor to. Its killing the 8150 in half the benchmarks.

[pyro]

I've been using AMD CPU's/Mobo's for years and i've jumped the ship long for the i7 860 I have now. The only downside of Intel is, (no backwards/forwards compatibility). AMD has AM2/AM3, AM3 + all on the same board... Intel releases new CPU's ie the 2nd gen i5/i7 on a different socket. $#@!ing kents! 1155 vs 1156...

Yup sucks shit, im running a 1156 board, so will have to upgrade my mobo as well if I wanted to move up to a 2500k.

[Emrico1]

Yup sucks shit, im running a 1155 board, so will have to upgrade my mobo as well if I wanted to move up to a 2500k.
You mean 1156 right?
1155 is for 2500k?

[pyro]

You mean 1156 right?
1155 is for 2500k?

Edited, was a typo :P Thanks for pointing that out.

[[∞]MadMike]

@mike: Those temps for your 750 = WTF? I get 71C max at 3.8 with HT on (860 with H50). Try 3.2-3.4 and how much load was your CPU under during beta (%) mine was at about 60% peak on caspian 64p

3.2 - 3.4 not high at all can run standard voltage so gets mid 50's to mid 60's. was under about 60% load on BF3, found it easier on the processor than BC2 ever was. mainly because its spread evenly across 4 cores where BC2 was mainly hammering 2 cores... Not sure if running lower OC will have much bearing on BF3 full release or not but seemed to run Beta fine at lower OC. Still seems extremely sensitive heat wise compared to people with the same rig running the same OC's. Perhaps she is getting tired ?

[pablo d]

Have you read ANY benchmarks?

They are not a true 8 core CPU either. That's a load of marketing BS.

And of course you can compare them to older chips. How else are you supposed to know if they are better or not if you don't compare them? At the end of the day, if you have a new CPU, that is crunching the same numbers as your old CPU, and doing it at the same speed (64583 cores @ 34.666776GHz or not) then its a failure.

A very BIG failure.

Weeeeeooooow, way to totally misinterpret pretty much everything I said. I meant you can't compare them as in "phenom has X performance in application Y, therefore bulldozer will has X performance too". Because if you read the OP, mike is asking "AMD users" what performance is like. I'm just super saiyan that it probably won't be very useful information unless someone actually owns one of these new 8 cores.

and yeah its not a true 8 core, but 8 core is easier to type than "4-module, 8-threaded-but-each-thread-has-more-resources-than-an-Intel-Hyperthread-so-its-not-really-fair-to-call-it-a-quad-core-either". faaaaar bro.

AMD have clearly stated that 4 modules will give you about 80% of the performance as 6 true phenom cores anyway, and from my initial tests, 1 core peformance = 1/6th of all core performance, which is pretty good tbh.

My last.....4 chips? or so have been Intel so I'm not really an AMD fanboi, but I have a gut feeling that Bulldozer could be the start of something beautiful for AMD. it's the first true redesign since K8, so these chips are on the bottom rung of the new architecture's performance potential.

[5loth]

The problem for AMD is their performance doesn't just need to improve through the generations of Bulldozer, it needs to compete with Intel, which seems less and less likely with Intel already about to launch their next lineup in the very near future.

[pablo d]

true but hopefully their roadmaps ramp up quicker without that jackass meyer at the helm :D

[[∞]MadMike]

Is all good Pabs... just picked me up an I7 so will have an I5 board and 4g of ram for sale... all offers considered :D

[Obble]

MadMike;1435038']Is all good Pabs... just picked me up an I7 so will have an I5 board and 4g of ram for sale... all offers excepted :D

Ill be nice to you for a hour.

/sold

:p

[[∞]MadMike]

LOL I dont want you to be nice to me though. corrected my wording though :D

[swindle]

I want it oi :suspicion:

[RightHandOnly]

welcome to the i7 club mate....enjoy

[deadmeatwalking]

Our Take on AMD FXOctober 13, 2011 (http://blogs.amd.com/play/2011/10/13/our-take-on-amd-fx/) by akozak (http://blogs.amd.com/play/author/akozak/)



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This week we launched the highly anticipated AMD FX series of desktop processors. Based on initial technical reviews, there are some in our community who feel the product performance did not meet their expectations of the AMD FX and the “Bulldozer” architecture. Over the past two days we’ve been listening to you and wanted to help you make sense of the new processors. As you begin to play with the AMD FX CPU processor, I foresee a few things will register:
In our design considerations, AMD focused on applications and environments that we believe our customers use – and which we expect them to use in the future. The architecture focuses on high-frequency and resource sharing to achieve optimal throughput and speed in next generation applications and high-resolution gaming.
Here’s some example scenarios where the AMD FX processor shines:
Playing the Latest Games
A perfect example is Battlefield 3 (http://www.battlefield.com/battlefield3). Take a look at how our test of AMD FX CPU compared to the Core i7 2600K and AMD Phenom™ II X6 1100T processors at full settings:
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Benchmarking done with a single AMD Radeon™ HD 6970 graphics card
Creating in HD
Those users running time intensive tasks are going to want an AMD FX processor for applications like x264 (http://www.videolan.org/developers/x264.html),HandBrake (http://handbrake.fr/), Cinema4D (http://www.maxon.net/products/cinema-4d-studio/who-should-use-it.html) where an eight-core processor will rip right along.
Building for the Future
This is a new architecture. Compilers have recently been updated, and programs have just started exploring the new instructions like XOP and FMA4 (two new instructions first supported by the AMD FX CPU) to speed up many applications, especially when compared to our older generation.
If you are running lightly threaded apps most of the time, then there are plenty of other solutions out there. But if you’re like me and use your desktop for high resolution gaming and want to tackle time intensive tasks with newer multi-threaded applications, the AMD FX processor won’t let you down.

[swindle]

BF3 is a GPU limited game.

A single 6970 is not even close to a real test.

Not nearly a true representation of total CPU performance, and more AMD spin. Lets see the same test with SLi GTX580s, at least.

http://pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/review/2011-10-10/bf3.jpg

http://static.techspot.com/articles-info/448/bench/CPU_01.png

This is a heartbreaking thread.

http://www.overclock.net/15296062-post1850.html

[O-L-W-A-G]

I want it oi :suspicion:

Maybe if you have decent offer for P7P55D Deluxe + i7 860 seeing you already have RAM etc

[winter]

BF3 is a GPU limited game.

A single 6970 is not even close to a real test.

Not nearly a true representation of total CPU performance, and more AMD spin. Lets see the same test with SLi GTX580s, at least.

http://pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/review/2011-10-10/bf3.jpg


.3 of a framerames difference? not much to worry about really? I'ma wait and see what they do with these '8' core CPUs though
they might bring out something good in the near future :)

Edit: I thought they used less powerful GPUs in some tests as it puts the load more on the CPU ? not entirely sure on that though.

[O-L-W-A-G]

How is your OC holding up winter, temps 60 or under during beta?

[winter]

How is your OC holding up winter, temps 60 or under during beta?

Yep, still under 60 degrees, sitting at 4GHz with stock cooling.
Might invest in a cheap water cooler and hit it up to 4.5ish maybe, I'm still learning :P

[swindle]

.3 of a framerames difference? not much to worry about really? I'ma wait and see what they do with these '8' core CPUs though
they might bring out something good in the near future :)

Edit: I thought they used less powerful GPUs in some tests as it puts the load more on the CPU ? not entirely sure on that though.

See that quoted benchmark is done with a single GPU.

That's the thing.

Its rude, and deceiving.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-FX-Processor-Review-Can-Bulldozer-Unearth-AMD-Victory/Gaming-Related-Tests


These tests aren't really GAME testing but are more synthetic gaming-related tests. For that reason these benchmarks are done using the GeForce GTX 285 graphics card installed and are meant to continue testing the x86 CPU performance of the benchmarked platforms

A GTX285? You dicks. That thing sucks.

[O-L-W-A-G]

Yep, still under 60 degrees, sitting at 4GHz with stock cooling.
Might invest in a cheap water cooler and hit it up to 4.5ish maybe, I'm still learning :P

Maybe one of those cheaper antec kuhlers think they were ~100$ instead of 200$ H80

[swindle]

Now when we throw a hard game at the CPUs, backed with one, of the top 2 most powerful single GPUs in the world (thus little to no bottleneck) we see some truth come out.

And this is no BETA.

http://iforce.co.nz/i/tesoo1jp.zna.jpg

(http://www.iforce.co.nz/View.aspx?i=tesoo1jp.zna.jpg)And just for a rude laugh, the FX killing Shogun 2.

http://iforce.co.nz/i/ly1dfdvq.2sv.png (http://www.iforce.co.nz/View.aspx?i=ly1dfdvq.2sv.png)

[winter]

LOL wtf happened in shogun? single thread?

hahaha

[swindle]

Apparently the game just crashed when the FX tried to fire it up.

[pablo d]

i'm just surprised you can type all that with one hand...

[swindle]

Practice.