BF3 Build? Focus on the GFX

[ChineseKiwi]

http://static.techspot.com/articles-info/448/bench/CPU_01.png
http://static.techspot.com/articles-info/448/bench/CPU_02.png

Remember as it's zero AA, the test settings are pushing more in favour of the CPU as much as possible. Get a lower end quad core, 4GB RAM and invest as much dosh on theGFX as possible.

[swindle]

Your chart sucks.

Its wrong.

[ChineseKiwi]

How? Considering the 1 FPS difference between a low end quad-core (x4 645) and a high-ish end one (i2500K)....
That's margin of error stuff...

[swindle]

Becasue i'm sitting a a room right now with 3 computers.

One a i5 2500k/GTX580/8GIG ~ Is killing the game. 80FPS solid @ max (both Operation Metro and Caspian Boarder)

One a X4 965 @ 3.2GHz/HD6970/8GIG ~ Is doing well ~ 60-80FPS @ medium (both Operation Metro and Caspian Boarder)

One a X4 965 @ 3.2GHz/Corssfire HD6950s 2GIG/4GIG ~ 30-60FPS @ medium on Caspian Boarder and 80-100FPS on Operation Metro @ High

The AMD CPUs are killing this game with cancer. I'm so so close to binning for an i5, and the fact that chart puts them on top? Laughable tbh.

I get 30-40FPS on medium with Crossfire HD6950s? I don't think so. Thanks for nothing AMD.

[ChineseKiwi]

Nevermind these benchmarks either...

http://www.hitechlegion.com/images/stories/bf3beta/intelmax.jpg
http://www.hitechlegion.com/images/stories/bf3beta/amdmax.jpg

[swindle]

Metro?

Come on bro, get with the program. Metro is not even in the same league of demanding when it comes to testing things.

Caspian Boarder 64 players, or bust son.

[ChineseKiwi]

Metro?

Come on bro, get with the program. Metro is not even in the same league of demanding when it comes to testing things.

Caspian Boarder 64 players, or bust son.

you think that sort of scaling would magically change with a map change... :/
Weak reasoning is weak.

[swindle]

You mean having seen it with my own eyes, tonight, is weak reasoning?

Cool story bro.

[Spork]

Why so much hate? I mean, if you disagree about something, you would get your point across a lot easier if you don't act like a douche. Which seems to be the case here.

Don't be a dick, CK was trying to help out, and while I am way out of the loop as far as hardware goes, if you know/ think that he is wrong, unless you have fairly conclusive evidence to say otherwise, is there any point in posting as you have Swindub? Just seems like you want to rage at someone for the sake of it, without even having a point.

[5tacK]

http://funnycrave.frsucrave.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/dildo-400x300.jpg

:bi_polo:

[CSfaith]

I tend to agree with the masses on this. There are so many factors to take into account. Swindle, just because you have a l337 gfx setup does not speak for the health / system integirty of your or the said viewed rig with your own eyes. Those benches will be based off a fresh install with 0 buggs.

[Mr_St1nky]

But metro should not be used at all to benchmark. The map size compared to Capsicum means its able to give better performance readings than otherwise possible. (File size as well as visible size)

[O-L-W-A-G]

And caspian will chew up that RAM I'm using 60%/8GB ingame

[Emrico1]

My rig's performance took a big hit on Caspian compared to metro so Swindle has a point.

The vehicles add a whole element to the CPU strain.

[CSfaith]

More so my point is you can have 2 x identical setups (hardware wise) and still bench with completly different results. My thoughts were coming froom the comparison of

"One a X4 965 @ 3.2GHz/HD6970/8GIG ~ Is doing well ~ 60-80FPS @ medium (both Operation Metro and Caspian Boarder"

"One a X4 965 @ 3.2GHz/Corssfire HD6950s 2GIG/4GIG ~ 30-60FPS @ medium on Caspian Boarder and 80-100FPS on Operation Metro @ High."

All in all, most would expect the 6950 x 2 setup to sh!t all over the 6970 setup esp on cpasicum

[Emrico1]

More so my point is you can have 2 x identical setups (hardware wise) and still bench with completly different results.

That too.

Really need to be a fresh install to have any chance of a decent bench.

[Cowwie]

My rig's performance took a big hit on Caspian compared to metro so Swindle has a point.




Im quite surprised i get better fps in Caspian than i do in the last mcoms in metrosexual, thats with a AMD 955/8800GT @ 800x600 everything set at low, 48 player servers seem almost bareable excluding the ugly res.

[Bell]

Alright I have a question for you hardware dudes.

I've got myself a pretty sweet laptop (Asus G73-JW) which has been running most games really fucking well but it's running Caspian like shit (sub 30 frames on lowest settings) and I'm having trouble playing.
Am I fucked or does this thing have a chance come release?

Processor (CPU)
Type : Intel® Core™ i7 740QM
Speed : 2.66 GHz - 1.6 GHz with Turbo Boost up to 2.93

Memory
DDR3 1333 MHz 8GB

Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 460M, with 1.5GB GDDR5 VRAM

[swindle]

Maybe, but only on the lowest settings...

Even then, i'd be inclined to say no :(

[Bell]

Son of a bitch.
Cheers swindle, don't really want to build a new comp just for one game so guess I'm out :(

[5tacK]

I have a C2D E6600 with 2gig DDR2, and a 5770, I should still be sweet though, eh?

[CSfaith]

Your E6600 will be the biggest struggle IMO Stack, Friend of mine has one also (maybe the E6550) and in my opinion it is a horrid CPU for games of late. He struggled with BFBC2 let alone BF3, running an OC'ed 5770 on 1100 x 1250 as far as i remember

[mattnz]

Son of a bitch.
Cheers swindle, don't really want to build a new comp just for one game so guess I'm out :(

Perhaps don't take only swindle's word for it.

[CSfaith]

Swindle tends to have a bleak point of view at the best of times .... lol

[CSfaith]

Swindle, with what was the 2500k running at ? Stock or OC'ed. I bet you would see a massive performance benefit of having those amd chips on 4gig.

[swindle]

Swindle, with what was the 2500k running at ? Stock or OC'ed. I bet you would see a massive performance benefit of having those amd chips on 4gig.

i5 @ 3.3GHz. Has not been OC'd yet.

Had my AMD @ 4.4GHz, it made 0 difference. Reverted my OC to see if that was the problem.

No. It wasn't.

[O-L-W-A-G]

Swindle mind spending few hours making some benches for us?

[swindle]

To late now. BETA ends sooner then I have the time.

[philo-sofa]

AFAIK (and I've read a few things) the OP isn't all that wrong about the GPU scaling. As Xbit said, if you have a modern 3.2 GHz or above Quad, you're sweet. To be fair it might change on Capsicum, but I certainly agree with the 'concentrate on the CPU' sentiment - an overclocked 955 wouldn't hold back any single card system from what I've read.

[pop]

my pc performs the same in caspian as in metro.... the same as in no noticeable frame drops
phenom ii x2 555 (unlocked to 4 core)
4gb ram
6870

1920x1080
default settings..

[Grassyhopper]

i have a q9650 @4ghz 4gb ram and a 5850 bios mod to a 5870 get 80-120 fps on low at 1080... put it up anymore than low and unplayable :( what should i do lol new gfx card or full upgrade?

oh on caspian...

[CSfaith]

It all really depends, Best way to see if your system is coping is based off a fresh install with newest drivers for your system. Do not be so hasty to disregard your hardware imo. Atm, im getting nothing below 50 fps on low settings 1680 x 1050 on a 9800gt. (still waiting to dso my full overhaul) CPU usage sits on 65 - 80% during game time, 4gig ram @ 1600, i3 530 @ 4.4 with HT enabled. In hardware terms my system is junk atm. But having said that the game runs flawless on caps.

[O-L-W-A-G]

I set my CPU to stock was getting around 50-60FPS, when I did an OC to 3.8 I started getting around 65-75FPS in capsicum.

[[∞]MadMike]

Frame rates seem to have little bearing on how well you can play this game. with the exception of the obviously way to low FPS.

[simcore]

CPU utilisation on an i7-2600 @ 4.3Ghz is 40% for me.

6970 GPU is 100%

8GB RAM, only using 3.2GB it appears.

Frames at 1920 res, 2 x AA, 4 x AF, medium settings with high textures HBAO and SSAO OFF - average 60 FPS on Caspian, 70fps on Metro (both outside) Clearly need another 6970 if I want to push it further but pointless with a 60hz LCD until I get 120hz, which in my opinion is essential with these HIGHLY detailed environments, it's very difficult to see people hiding/hugging shadows unless they're sprinting (while you're running and looking around at the same time)

[swindle]

My X4 sits at 100% constant.

It sat at 100% for BFBC2 also, and that performed pretty average.

I'm getting an i5 tbh. Fuck AMD.

[Growler]

wouldn't going to 2560x1600 be better than 120hz for detail

[Retardobot]

My X4 sits at 100% constant.

It sat at 100% for BFBC2 also, and that performed pretty average.

I'm getting an i5 tbh. Fuck AMD.

I made this decision back when the AM2's came out. I started off with an AM2 5000+ but it just wasn't performing as it should. Before then I had always been an avid AMD supporter. I dropped it in favor of an E6600. Intel's been bloody great ever since.

AMD seem to have compatibility issues between their chips and motherboards. Shits-weak.

[simcore]

wouldn't going to 2560x1600 be better than 120hz for detail

It's not really the resolution that's the problem, it's that the ghosting on 60hz makes it considerably harder to notice movement when you are moving the screen perspective (scanning an area) yourself.

[Growler]

if only my 24" 85hz CRT didnt weigh 400kg

[swindle]

AMD seem to have compatibility issues between their chips and motherboards. Shits-weak.

Straight up.

I remember going Intel with the E6600 also. Should have stayed that way.

[philo-sofa]

It's not really the resolution that's the problem, it's that the ghosting on 60hz makes it considerably harder to notice movement when you are moving the screen perspective (scanning an area) yourself.
Ghosting (or the lack thereof) is a result of response time (time to change a pixel from one shade to another, 1-8ms) - not the screen refresh rate (60-120Hz).

[simcore]

Yes sorry, you are correct, ghosting is the wrong term to use :>

But my point is still the same! Need 120hz monitor (and 120fps firstly)

[Growler]

Id' love to see a quality 27" 2600x1600 next to a 23" 120hz be a very interesting comparrison

[5loth]

One would show greater image quality, the other would show smoother motion.

They're not very comparable.

[winter]

Straight up.

I remember going Intel with the E6600 also. Should have stayed that way.

Haha, straight up AMD hates right here.

You working for Intel nowadays brah?

[Mayhem_Lee]

Haha, straight up AMD hates right here.

You working for Intel nowadays brah?

don think so hes still running amd...... haha 50% load on my cpu 98% on gpu

[swindle]

Haha, straight up AMD hates right here.

You working for Intel nowadays brah?

I wish.

I'm considering moving to the states after a Computer Engineering degree.

[winter]

I wish.

I'm considering moving to the states after a Computer Engineering degree.

shit, that's a bit flash bro! :O

I'm gonna upgrade my 1100T (3.8GHz) to an FX/bulldozer eh, they're supposed to be coming out next week last I heard.

[Retardobot]

I wish.

I'm considering moving to the states after a Computer Engineering degree.

Do it.

BOOM.

/USA fanboi.

[Speakman]

shit, that's a bit flash bro! :O

I'm gonna upgrade my 1100T (3.8GHz) to an FX/bulldozer eh, they're supposed to be coming out next week last I heard.

yeah im looking forward to some benchies before I make a rash decision

[[∞]MadMike]

Mayhem_Lee;1433258']don think so hes still running amd...... haha 50% load on my cpu 98% on gpu

60% load on cpu. 60% ram used of 4gig. 580 running at 98% gpu load as well... getting 110 fames.

[Meat2Potatos]

Lets see the fraps benchmarks guys over a round along with your settings.

As my 2500k/8gbram and 570 classified over a couple of rounds in each map with settings all high but no aa or af is only averaging 82 on metro and 78 on caspian

Caspian

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
40445, 522463, 58, 150, 77.412

Metro

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
96181, 1164797, 0, 201, 82.573

Just sounding like some of you guys have super duper special gfx cards that do more FPS than others in your class.

[O-L-W-A-G]

CPU utilisation on an i7-2600 @ 4.3Ghz is 40% for me.

6970 GPU is 100%

8GB RAM, only using 3.2GB it appears.

Frames at 1920 res, 2 x AA, 4 x AF, medium settings with high textures HBAO and SSAO OFF - average 60 FPS on Caspian, 70fps on Metro (both outside) Clearly need another 6970 if I want to push it further but pointless with a 60hz LCD until I get 120hz, which in my opinion is essential with these HIGHLY detailed environments, it's very difficult to see people hiding/hugging shadows unless they're sprinting (while you're running and looking around at the same time)
CFX is a pita just get a 580/590/6990 instead and save yourself allot of hassle. Interesting thing is my second GPU stays at 0% with CFX enabled but I get almost double FPS


if only my 24" 85hz CRT didnt weigh 400kg
+1 and wasn't almost the size of my case.


I wish.

I'm considering moving to the states after a Computer Engineering degree.
Would get to play with some IRL guns.

[x93355]

Id' love to see a quality 27" 2600x1600 next to a 23" 120hz be a very interesting comparrison

Not sure how many of you are using eyefinity (machpants use to I beleive)... but I had 5040 x 1050 accross 3 x 22" HP Advantage LCD's and loved it for BC2. Went back to 1 LCD when the display port cable crapped out and struggled... but a whole load off the GPU.

Anyone fly simulators with eyefinity, it is great to rotate the monitors vertically :)

Not sure what BF3 is going play like at 5040 x 1050 but can't wait... ordered the 2 x 6950 Toxic's today and a coolermast V6 heatsink for the CPU....

Haven't played the beta at all, decidied to wait for the release and then hopefully spend the next 2 years of my life single...

[simcore]

Not sure how many of you are using eyefinity (machpants use to I beleive)... but I had 5040 x 1050 accross 3 x 22" HP Advantage LCD's and loved it for BC2. Went back to 1 LCD when the display port cable crapped out and struggled... but a whole load off the GPU.

Anyone fly simulators with eyefinity, it is great to rotate the monitors vertically :)

Not sure what BF3 is going play like at 5040 x 1050 but can't wait... ordered the 2 x 6950 Toxic's today and a coolermast V6 heatsink for the CPU....

Haven't played the beta at all, decidied to wait for the release and then hopefully spend the next 2 years of my life single...

ROFL!

http://www.ponychan.net/chan/arch/src/130516193552.gif

[swindle]

Do it.

BOOM.

/USA fanboi.

That's the idea...

USA fanboi here to...

[[∞]MadMike]

Lets see the fraps benchmarks guys over a round along with your settings.

As my 2500k/8gbram and 570 classified over a couple of rounds in each map with settings all high but no aa or af is only averaging 82 on metro and 78 on caspian

Caspian

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
40445, 522463, 58, 150, 77.412

Metro

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
96181, 1164797, 0, 201, 82.573

Just sounding like some of you guys have super duper special gfx cards that do more FPS than others in your class.

That would probably be because some of us would rather be playing. Turn AA off and and see how it effects your frames... If I waned a picture i'd buy one. otherwise I want a good performing Game.

[mattnz]

That's the idea...

USA fanboi here to...

Research peak oil, then realise you'll come crawling back here.