Er, yeah, why i won't be going near this or any other EA title released on Origin...

[Ares Helix]

Hey all,

I don't usually buy into this kind of scare mongering, but this is actually pretty big:

Click here (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/113314-EA-Changes-Origin-Terms-of-Services-Forbids-Class-Action-Lawsuits) for the news story on the escapist...

If you guys are ok with this, then that's your call, but I'll be staying the hell away from Origin and uninstalling when i get home. Pity, cos I was looking forward to this and ME3.
Just wanted to make sure everyone knows they'll be siying yes to alot more than the usual lawyer malarky.

Flame on...

[5loth]

Yes I am OK with it.

[Emrico1]

Don't sweat it bro. Ignorance is bliss, you'll be better off not even worrying about that. Just play the game.

A lawyer mate of mine says, even if you sign a contract waiving rights, your rights remain.

[Mayhem_Lee]

care.com will still be playing BF3

[Emrico1]

Besides, all that is only important if you intend on sueing EA.

The way I see it, it is there to protect EA from the ever increasing threat of some nutter killing a bunch of people, then blaming the FPS they played.

Seriously, it's not for you to be worried about.

[Spacemonkey]

Well, I wasn't really planning on filing a class action lawsuit against EA anyway.

tbh I can't really think of any reason why I would.

[Obble]

Well, I wasn't really planning on filling a class action lawsuit against EA anyway.

tbh I can't really think of any reason why I would.

Because you're not a bum who has never worked, and expects to be able to sue EA for hundreds of millions, so that you'll never have to work.

[Retardobot]

Because you're not a bum who has never worked, and expects to be able to sue EA for hundreds of millions, so that you'll never have to work.

What a fucken dream though, aye.

[Ares Helix]

Sorry, wording fail on my part.

Been discussing this with a mate in the US. He works in finance and agrees, he won't be touching Origin.

Scenario: Your bank passwords and CC details are captured and sent via unsecure connection (whole other issue, don't get me started) through to EA.
An employee, down on his luck maybe, gets hold of that info. All of a sudden your cc is empty, and he's off to a friendly non-extridition country. Because of the agreement you accepted. You can not take any court action (or class action) to resolve this. NONE.
You may be able to come to an out of court arbitration, but as for lawyers and Jury? Uh-uh.

So all up, if you're ok with potentially putting yourself in that position? Go ahead!
I may be a tad paranoid, but I'm not the only one who thinks this isn't right in any way shape or form.

"expressly waive the right to a trial by jury or to participate in a class action." - You said yes to waive your rights, you have to live with that.

"You understand that by this provision, you and EA are foregoing the right to sue in court and have a trial by jury." - You said yep to this too, again, no court action if something goes pear shaped

As far as I'm aware NZ law follows US pretty closely, so sadly, this will hold up in an NZ court.
Hopefully this won't mean a thing, BUT on launch day, if you've installed and all that's there is a video of a heard of llamas being chased by a cat, then you have NO LEGAL RIGHT to complain or file a law suit.

As long as you're ok with that, then all good but sadly, I'm not going to look at it (or ME3) until this has been resolved and I'd go so far as to say that if something is broken on Day 1 and doesn't ever get fixed, you've no grounds to complain, as you've waived them when you ticked that box! :)

[Dr Woomanchu]

You have exercised your right to not use a product you don't like. Well done. I wish more people would do that. Who knows, if enough people share your position, they may even modify it.

Personally ima gonna go stab Gayhem in whatever game he hides in.

[Spigalau]

Ares - with NZ Credit Card fraud, you are only liable for the 1st $50... and also in NZ, we can't do class actions suits either !

[monpepe]

what do you think cookies do every day

Even facebook tracks your surfing habits and online habits once you have logged out.

[Spacemonkey]

Sorry, wording fail on my part.

Been discussing this with a mate in the US. He works in finance and agrees, he won't be touching Origin.

Scenario: Your bank passwords and CC details are captured and sent via unsecure connection (whole other issue, don't get me started) through to EA.
An employee, down on his luck maybe, gets hold of that info. All of a sudden your cc is empty, and he's off to a friendly non-extridition country. Because of the agreement you accepted. You can not take any court action (or class action) to resolve this. NONE.
You may be able to come to an out of court arbitration, but as for lawyers and Jury? Uh-uh.

I thought about this, Credit Card fraud is pretty serious, and i'm sure courts would take the individuals side.

You could also just not give Origin your Credit Card details, so it's hardly a reason to not touch Origin.

Bank passwords? WTF? Why would you give your bank password to anyone ever?



As far as I'm aware NZ law follows US pretty closely, so sadly, this will hold up in an NZ court.

I don't think so, click through agreements aren't enforceable in NZ.

[Ares Helix]

Space Monkey - the wording states any and all information on your computer can be collected by EA. Not just the info put through Origin.
THAT is what i have a problem with. Essentially, the way it's worded they could use it as a kelogger and be legally entitled to use any and all information in whatever way they want, without anyone able to say or do anything about it.

[Bell]

Yea EA is totally gonna do that

[BushySB]

Thread has been done before. No need to drag it back up

/thread

[Bell]

Essentially, the way it's worded they could use it as a kelogger and be legally entitled to use any and all information in whatever way they want, without anyone able to say or do anything about it.

That's total bullshit and you know it.

If I wrote up a contract that said I'm allowed to commit any crimes I want against you and you sign it and then I stab you in the face.
I'm still going to jail.

[Spacemonkey]

Space Monkey - the wording states any and all information on your computer can be collected by EA. Not just the info put through Origin.
THAT is what i have a problem with. Essentially, the way it's worded they could use it as a kelogger and be legally entitled to use any and all information in whatever way they want, without anyone able to say or do anything about it.

It would be illegal for them to do that, regardless of what they put in EULA.


If I wrote up a contract that said I'm allowed to commit any crimes I want against you and you sign it.
And then I stab you in the face, I'm still going to jail.

^This

It is actually part of NZ law that contracts regarding illegal activities are not valid. For example if I hired you to rob a back (signed a contract and everything), and you didn't, I wouldn't be allowed to take you to court for breach of contract.

I learnt that in law class.

[Bell]

Spacemonkey do you agree to let me steal all of your stuff and waive all rights to accuse me of any crimes.

Sign below

[Spacemonkey]

Spacemonkey /signed

[Bell]

Ares Helix must be shocked.

[Ares Helix]

Not according to the US senate it's not. :)

Look been done before or not, I wanted to highlight why the international gaming community as a whole are struggling with this. Yes the game looks amazing, BUT the platform its on breaches privacy and is ratified and legal.

As people have said, it's not necessarily what EA would do with the info, more their employees. Unless you've met all of them and can personally say they're all swell guys who'd never even squish an ant, you can't really convince me that Origin is worth the risk (and even then, the chances of me believing you are slim!)

I can't change your minds about this, but I can make you aware of the potential risks you take by installing this software. End of the day it's your decisions that will dictate what you do. I merely wanted to highlight the above as this is something a lot of people around the world are concerned about.

[Growler]

You all have the right to shut the fuck up.

You all have the right to fuck off to GP if you continue to whine like little bitches.

STFU!

You big gay fuckers!

[Growler]

YOU BIG GAY FUCKERS!



The repeat is for emphasis.

[Growler]

Fags.

[Dr Woomanchu]

Got turned down for the BJ this morning Growler? You seem a little tense

[Growler]

Yah wife n kids in Akaroa....

Does also mean I get to play BF3 all night with no nagging thou

[Menial]

You cannot have a legal contract to enforce something that is unlawful, it's an actual rule.

[dirtyape]

So I realise there are a lot of people around here that would give EA a bj just because they want to play BF3 and then gleefully block their ears while they try to explain what a bunch of GCs EA really are, I get that, but I think you guys are missing the point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal

So now there is no legal respite to prevent this kind of thing.

It's a bit of a concern really. How many system administrators have banned this product from their networks? Hand goes up.

[SheepShagger556]

bunch of women in this thread.

[Spacemonkey]

If you go Go kart racing, you sign a contract to agree to not sue them if you crash and die and come back as a zombie.

[5loth]

So I realise there are a lot of people around here that would give EA a bj just because they want to play BF3 and then gleefully block their ears while they try to explain what a bunch of GCs EA really are, I get that, but I think you guys are missing the point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal

So now there is no legal respite to prevent this kind of thing.

It's a bit of a concern really. How many system administrators have banned this product from their networks? Hand goes up.

We're missing the point but you aren't? Apparently we're sucking EA off because we don't care, but you obviously do.

Once again, its a bit of a concern, yet you'll still keep using Origin right?

Your words are different, but your actions are exactly the same.

[dirtyape]

I don't have origin and never have and I'm beginning to think I never will. If I do it will be on a dedicated insecure gaming rig that contains no personal or sensitive information, does not connect to any secure networks, and that I don't care about being compromised.

[Spacemonkey]

I don't have origin and never have and I'm beginning to think I never will.

But if you don't get Origin, then you'll never be able to sue them.

After all, what would you be suing them for if you never even got their game?

[5loth]

I don't have origin and never have and I'm beginning to think I never will. If I do it will be on a dedicated insecure gaming rig that contains no personal or sensitive information, does not connect to any secure networks, and that I don't care about being compromised.

Fair enough if that is the case, however you certainly have been posting a lot in the Battlefield 3 forum for someone who doesn't intend on playing it.

[dirtyape]

But if you don't get Origin, then you'll never be able to sue them.

After all, what would you be suing them for if you never even got their game?
Try harder, it's not difficult to understand.

[Spacemonkey]

If I do it will be on a dedicated insecure gaming rig that contains no personal or sensitive information, does not connect to any secure networks, and that I don't care about being compromised.

That doesn't make any sense. You assuming that installing origin will put your personal information at risk. But that is not the case, your personal information wouldn't be any more (or less) at risk then if you installed any other program, like steam for example.

The issue is only what you can do afterwards in the case that something bad does happen.

[Froglotion]

Hey guise this is serious business. But for a great price, you too can protect yourself and look awesome like me at the same time.

http://www.bloggingbroker.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/tinfoil_hat.jpg

Ok so obviously I could never look this cool... but yeah

[rhiza]

got bored of reading so may have already been said.... but your CC info is safe as shit... if it DOES get used, you just call your bank, dispute the charge, they give you your money back, visa/mastercard/amex/whoever gets the investigation going.

all the credit card companies have insurance for that kind of shit, so getting ya coin back is really no problem.

and you realise all the big NZ ISPs store all your personal info / billing info .... and most of the staff are scum.. yet im sure you dont have a problem using an ISP?

when you give your credit card, name and address to the dude on the phone ordering a pizza.. you dont have any problem there.. its all the same.

[Nostargate]

From the OP's link.

"From a practical perspective, this won't mean a thing for just about everyone who uses Origin. There's a reason people just click past user agreements without even giving them a second glance"

[Bell]

If I do it will be on a dedicated insecure gaming rig that contains no personal or sensitive information, does not connect to any secure networks, and that I don't care about being compromised.

I bet that lasts a week and then you will start doing internet banking between playing BF3 and going to dodgy porn sites.

[dirtyape]

That doesn't make any sense. You assuming that installing origin will put your personal information at risk. But that is not the case, your personal information wouldn't be any more (or less) at risk then if you installed any other program, like steam for example.

The issue is only what you can do afterwards in the case that something bad does happen.
I class the software as riskware and will treat it as such. The basis of all security is precaution.

[Dr Woomanchu]

The pr0n sites I use have kindly supplied a place for me to enter my banking details, so I don't have to open another page. It's customer service like that , that really makes the difference.

[Bell]

It's the midget porn that makes the difference for me

[dirtyape]

I bet that lasts a week and then you will start doing internet banking between playing BF3 and going to dodgy porn sites.
How much would you like to bet?

[Spacemonkey]

I class the software as riskware and will treat it as such. The basis of all security is precaution.

Why? What evidence do you have that installing Origin is any more risky then installing anything else?

[BerG]

Can you other dicks shutup.

I was enjoying the battle of the apes.

[Zarkov]

Spacemonkey ftw.

He's more highly evolved.

[Bell]

How much would you like to bet?

If you last more than a week, I'll sign a contract that entitles you to one free crime committed against me.

[dirtyape]

Why? What evidence do you have that installing Origin is any more risky then installing anything else?
Did you read their previous T&C's? They made clear their intentions. Now they could just do what they want. I'm not saying they are currently, I am now saying they can and have shown a willingness to do so in the past, and therefore it is a risk.

[Froglotion]

Crossing the road is a risk, will you ever do that again? 93% downloaded :D

[dirtyape]

Crossing the road is a risk, will you ever do that again? 93% downloaded :D
I take precautions not to get run over.

[pyro]

Wow paranoid much. Just pull out that tin foil hat disconnect your pc from the net, turn in your smart phone for an old analog and pay for everything in cash for the rest of your life. Bro you will be fucking safe as!

Brb loading up origin while I check my bank, update my porn sites with my cc and finish my top secret documents on how to take over the world.

[dirtyape]

Yes you forgot to lock the doors and windows. Very amusing. For some security is an occupational hazard and unfortunately having the illusion of security may be comforting but it is ultimately pointless. A threat unperceived is still a threat. Perhaps one day I will quote this thread in a different context, perhaps I won't.

The worst thing about all this is that it will probably become the norm.

[deadmeatwalking]

stop thinking your in control cause you aint if somethings gonna happen its gonna happen one way or another

/end thread

[BerG]

Fail.

[dirtyape]

stop thinking your in control cause you aint if somethings gonna happen its gonna happen one way or another

/end thread
That's what the French said.

[swindle]

Scenario: Your bank passwords and CC details are captured and sent via unsecure connection (whole other issue, don't get me started) through to EA.
An employee, down on his luck maybe, gets hold of that info. All of a sudden your cc is empty, and he's off to a friendly non-extridition country. Because of the agreement you accepted. You can not take any court action (or class action) to resolve this. NONE

lol

Go hard. Got $40 available on my CC.

How long you reckon that'll see you in Mexico?

[SheepShagger556]

lol

Go hard. Got $40 available on my CC.

How long you reckon that'll see you in Mexico?

Damn, whats your limit broseph?

[swindle]

More then you earn in a year.

[SheepShagger556]

More then you earn in a year, Son



^lol ultimate troll quote if you add that on the end. I doubt your limit is that high :P

[[∞]MadMike]

Space Monkey - the wording states any and all information on your computer can be collected by EA. Not just the info put through Origin.
THAT is what i have a problem with. Essentially, the way it's worded they could use it as a kelogger and be legally entitled to use any and all information in whatever way they want, without anyone able to say or do anything about it.

This is of coarse only a problem if you have money to steal in the first place... :D

[Spacemonkey]

Space Monkey - the wording states any and all information on your computer can be collected by EA. Not just the info put through Origin.
THAT is what i have a problem with. Essentially, the way it's worded they could use it as a kelogger and be legally entitled to use any and all information in whatever way they want, without anyone able to say or do anything about it.

What wording? Can you post the exact wording so everybody actually knows what you are talking about.

[Froglotion]

I installed Origin and the beta, then when I got home my house was gone and all that was left was a note from Origin saying thanks.

Not sure what to do :(


srsly though off to play some more beta because beta > sunlight

[Jamamio]

I know everyone here seems to be hating on anyone that says anything about how bad EA's policy is, but you have to admit it's not good practice. Having said that, I will be installing. It's a risk I'm willing to take.

[dirtyape]

What wording? Can you post the exact wording so everybody actually knows what you are talking about.
Isn't wording irrelevant now, you can't sue them. You have a contract to them, they have nothing to you. They can break it, choose not to obey it, they can do whatever they want as long as it is not illegal - i.e. you can't take them to court but the police can. Basically you are giving a corporation free reign to do whatever they want and are trusting them to do the right thing. What could go wrong?

But what he was talking about was the previous T&C's before they changed them, then changed them again, and again. It's in the other thread. He was talking about them saying that they were going to monitor your "applications". Any and all applications. That includes web browsers, mail clients, media players, torrent clients (if you're that way inclined), steam, any other competitor product, putty...

Not sure if I like the sound of that.

All irrelevant now, they don't really have to tell you anything anymore about what THEY do, only what they want YOU TO DO.

That is the framework they've built at least. It's untested, and they haven't done anything dodgy yet. But are fully prepped to play the old "oops, sorry about that" card and take the neg PR.

It's fine if you don't care about privacy or security. But to those who must maintain a secure system for work or whatever other reason...


I know everyone here seems to be hating on anyone that says anything about how bad EA's policy is, but you have to admit it's not good practice. Having said that, I will be installing. It's a risk I'm willing to take.
It's classic fanboism. Blinded by lust and perhaps a bit ignorant of the issues. It would be an interesting social experiment to see just how much of their soul they would be willing to sell. Perhaps this is exactly that...

[pyro]

Has nothing to do with being a "fanboi" as you put it. You just seem to be an over paranoid old git, got a lot to hide have you?. If you believe EA is going to log all your bank details your CC details and take all your money, don't install it, stop bitching about origin and leave the BF forums.

[Retardobot]

Has nothing to do with being a "fanboi" as you put it. You just seem to be an over paranoid old git, got a lot to hide have you?. If you believe EA is going to log all your bank details your CC details and take all your money, don't install it, stop bitching about origin and leave the BF forums.

Sigh.

I know Dirty Ape in RL.

I'm siding with him on this discussion, and he's nowhere near a "paranoid old git" and definitely has nothing to hide, however he makes it his business to know how to keep information from being accessed in his work-life.

Try maintaining some sort of dignity, Pyro. You just look exhausted and played out when you resort to petty flaming.

[dirtyape]

Has nothing to do with being a "fanboi" as you put it. You just seem to be an over paranoid old git, got a lot to hide have you?. If you believe EA is going to log all your bank details your CC details and take all your money, don't install it, stop bitching about origin and leave the BF forums.
ad hominem, poor.

[pyro]

Sigh.

Try maintaining some sort of dignity, Pyro. You just look exhausted and played out when you resort to petty flaming.

meh look at the time of the post I was fucked.

Either way its the same old stuff wah wah origin wah wah. Don't like it simple don't play bf3 and quit bitching about it.

[BerG]

Yeah, stop posting an opposing opinion in this thread.

As you can see from the title, this thread is clearly only for people who support Origins T's & C's.

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/39822_119311708117063_118908034824097_111908_24757 30_a.jpg


Ape is doing great work warning other people WHO MUST MAINTAIN A SECURE NETWORK not to install origin.

Frankly, Pyro, 'Don't mind it simple don't go in this thread and quit bitching about it.'

[[∞]MadMike]

I think the point pyro is trying to make is the continuous posting in and over multiple threads for the I hate Origin crew... They have said there piece.

I find the work and gaming rig in one more amusing than the origin convo TBH

[dirtyape]

Have you read the thread title? Answering an on topic question means I should leave the BF3 forums apparently.

[[∞]MadMike]

Sorry DA was meaning more Bergs comment. But again


the continuous posting in and over multiple threads for the I hate Origin crew...They have said there piece.

[dirtyape]

MadMike;1429513']Sorry DA was meaning more Bergs comment. But again
The other thread was about Origin being required to play BF3 iirc, which is on topic as well.

It's not so much that I hate Origin or EA, it's more the fact that I hate their strategy and it's implications within the industry, and it's implications to personal privacy and security.

Whereas the counter argument is "we don't care so you shouldn't either".

[Emrico1]

we don't care so you shouldn't either

[Spacemonkey]

Isn't wording irrelevant now, you can't sue them. You have a contract to them, they have nothing to you. They can break it, choose not to obey it, they can do whatever they want as long as it is not illegal - i.e. you can't take them to court but the police can. Basically you are giving a corporation free reign to do whatever they want and are trusting them to do the right thing. What could go wrong?

...

It's fine if you don't care about privacy or security. But to those who must maintain a secure system for work or whatever other reason...



I do care about privacy and security, which is why i've asked for wording to which Ares and yourself have referred to. I had a look through the EA privacy policy and did not see anything that would suggested the potential issues that you are talking about.

We are not 'trusting' a corporation to do anything more so then we have done so in the past. A contract works both ways, we may have to agree with it in order to play the game, but they are not allowed to break the law, just because we have clicked 'accept' on the EULA, it doesn't change what is illegal and what isn't.

[dirtyape]

It's a civil matter, it's not criminal.

[5loth]

The other thread was about Origin being required to play BF3 iirc, which is on topic as well.

It's not so much that I hate Origin or EA, it's more the fact that I hate their strategy and it's implications within the industry, and it's implications to personal privacy and security.

Whereas the counter argument is "we don't care so you shouldn't either".

Whereas the counter argument is "we want to play battlefield 3 and obviously value that more than the conditions we are aware of and are agreeing to".

[Growler]

Whereas the counter argument is "we want to play battlefield 3 and obviously value that more than the conditions we are aware of and are agreeing to".

I aint aware of shit, for all I know the TnCs could say they have the right to my left testicle. Install, agree agree agree....... play.

[Slim]

I actually don't hate it. I found it reasonably easy to download, use and get the BF3 Beta going. As for that legal issue, I'm pretty sure it will be overturned in due course. After saying that, Sony lost a lot of people's stuff, and it wasn't sued either. Also, i'd like to point out, I'm pretty sure that this is only binding in an American court, and as New Zealanders, we could quite merrily sue them.

[Black Heart]

a contract that breaks NZ law doesn't just get the offending clauses removed, the entire contract becomes void. And as the contract seems to pretty clearly break our and other countries laws just be glad your not a US citizen.

Having said that, if your relying on your right to sue for security thats not security. if you have sensitive personal information, and sensitive information of others, then yes having a dedicated PC for gaming and one for work is an obvious precaution. Just because nobodies made a clause about suing for data loss (no doubt being included due to things like the sony debacle) doesn't mean the risks weren't there before.

[5loth]

I aint aware of $#@!, for all I know the TnCs could say they have the right to my left testicle. Install, agree agree agree....... play.

congratulations for a) not being aware of the T's & C's you are agreeing to and b) obviously not reading this thread either if you still don't know what they are.

[dirtyape]

a contract that breaks NZ law doesn't just get the offending clauses removed, the entire contract becomes void. And as the contract seems to pretty clearly break our and other countries laws just be glad your not a US citizen.
Do you think that they are going to have two copies of the Origin executable? One for the US and one for other countries? It's possible that they will, but seems more likely that they'll just release the same shit that the do to the US upon everyone else.


Having said that, if your relying on your right to sue for security thats not security. if you have sensitive personal information, and sensitive information of others, then yes having a dedicated PC for gaming and one for work is an obvious precaution. Just because nobodies made a clause about suing for data loss (no doubt being included due to things like the sony debacle) doesn't mean the risks weren't there before.
The Origin application reads every file and folder in your c:\programdata folder and then sends a bunch of encrypted data to EA servers. They said they stopped doing that, I think, or at least removed some stuff from the T&Cs. I haven't tested it yet. But this is the nature of the security problem. The "you can't sue us clause" is just a potential way they could start doing the behaviour again without notifying you. "Oops."

Running steam on a low security machine is fine. Running Origin compromises security IMO.

[Spacemonkey]

If they didn't notify you, then they would be in breach of their contract, and then you could sue them.

[dirtyape]

If they didn't notify you, then they would be in breach of their contract, and then you could sue them.
Even if you permanently agreed to not sue them for any reason, including fraud?

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PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY. IT AFFECTS YOUR RIGHTS.
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Anyway, they told you they were gathering your program data:

2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly. Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines. We do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA’s legal rights.

In addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects non-personally identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as communicating with you. The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware. As noted above, this information is gathered periodically improve our products and services, troubleshoot bugs, and otherwise enhance your user experience.

This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA’s Privacy Policy located at www.ea.com <http://www.ea.com>. To the extent that anything in this section conflicts or is inconsistent with the terms of EA’s Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control.

And you agreed to be bound by Californian law:

14. Governing Law. If you reside in a Member State of the European Union: (i) the laws of England, excluding its conflicts-of-law rules, govern this License and your use of the Application; and (ii) you expressly agree that exclusive jurisdiction for any claim or action arising out of or relating to this License and/or your use of the Application shall be the Courts of England, and you expressly consent to the exercise of personal jurisdiction of such courts. If you reside elsewhere: (i) the laws of the State of California, excluding its conflicts-of-law rules, govern this License and/or your use of the Application; and (ii) for claims not subject to the arbitration provision set forth in Section 17, below, you expressly agree that exclusive jurisdiction for any claim or action arising out of or relating to this License and/or your use of the Application shall be the federal or state courts that govern San Mateo County, California, and you expressly consent to the exercise of personal jurisdiction of such courts. Please note that your conduct may also be subject to other local, state, national, and international laws. The parties agree that the UN Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods (Vienna, 1980) shall not apply to this License or to any dispute or transaction arising out of this License.

Food for thought. Deal with it as you will.

[Dr Woomanchu]

bpund by californian law???!!!???!!!

*skins up a blunt*

[dirtyape]

bpund by californian law???!!!???!!!

*skins up a blunt*
Unfortunately:

govern this License and/or your use of the Application

[Dr Woomanchu]

*uses bf3 to skin up a blunt*

[Black Heart]

What makes steam fine ?

[pyro]

What makes steam fine ?

Or wow, or facebook for that matter.

[Spacemonkey]

EA knowing what operating system i'm running is hardly a breach of my privacy

"EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly. Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines. We do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA’s legal rights.

In addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects non-personally identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as communicating with you. "

So, EA says they will never sell our information to anyone.

They will never install spyware.

They don't share personal information without your consent, unless they are required to by law.

If they did do any of the above, they would be breaking their contract, and I would be allowed to sue them.



And they collect non-personally identifiable information like they say
"The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware. As noted above, this information is gathered periodically improve our products and services, troubleshoot bugs, and otherwise enhance your user experience".

Steam does the same kind of thing.

[dirtyape]

What makes steam fine ?
Valve only scan their own applications, which is actually reasonable. EA scan everything. And Valve do not force you to agree not to sue them for anything, including fraud and misrepresentation.


stuff...
I'm feeling like this is getting circular and I'm getting sick of this subject tbbh, I think I have already demonstrated the issues which you like most people seem to want to ignore, so I don't think I'll bother in the future. Carefactor 0.

"Look, if you wanna play blindman go walk with the shepherd. But me, my eyes are wide fucking open."

[pyro]

Five pages later and you say you don't care, makes sense. Why are you so worried about info gathered on your system which is anonymous. I suggest you stay away from facebook, wow(actually anything blizzard related now) steam, and pretty much anything Apple.

[Emrico1]

They can get you through the phone chargers bro

[Retardobot]

Five pages later and you say you don't care, makes sense. Why are you so worried about info gathered on your system which is anonymous.

You really have a hard time with discussions, I can tell. He isn't saying he doesn't care about the discussion topic, but rather how the discussion is turning out.


Why are you so worried about info gathered on your system which is anonymous.

Because it's his right to be. Is that OK, chief?

[pyro]

You really have a hard time with discussions, I can tell. He isn't saying he doesn't care about the discussion topic, but rather how the discussion is turning out.



Because it's his right to be. Is that OK, chief?

oh wow hahahaa suck some dick more there retardo, I was asking a serious question, why is he so worried about gathered info on apps that is anonymous. Am I not allowed to ask a question in a discussion, or is that not ok with you Chief?

[Zarkov]

In the wilderness, when the lamb cries.

Sometimes the mother comes.

Sometimes the wolf.

[Dr Woomanchu]

If that was any deeper you could drown a cat in it

[Zarkov]

It was a thread closer alright.

[Spacemonkey]

Zarkov wins the thread.

[Dr Woomanchu]

It was also deep enough to drown a monkey in

[Obble]

It was so deep, it was wasted in such a shit thread.

[Dr Woomanchu]

THE DEFENDER OF ON3 HAS SPOKEN!!!!!

[Obble]

The old man that can't read anything smaller than caps is jelly once again. :eagerness:

HEY.

[Retardobot]

oh wow hahahaa suck some dick more there retardo

umad?

[Dr Woomanchu]

http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy90/Dr_Woohoo/tumblr_lsf28dIfPL1r0ix14o1_500.gif

[pyro]

umad?

You really have a hard time with discussions, I can tell.

[Bell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pFObyIOHcI

[Obble]

I'm glad you have decided not to make gaming your life again, and instead have found more productive things to spend your time on Bell, that was an amazing video.

[Bell]

haha

[Retardobot]

You really have a hard time with discussions, I can tell.

yeumad.

Also, Strange Wilderness is king.

[swindle]

I'm the wolf.

[pyro]

yeumad.


http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/come-at-me-bro-turtle.jpg

[Bell]

it is forbidden

[O-L-W-A-G]

9gag.com more addictive than forums, also leads rage away from this thread
6289
6290
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[Dr Woomanchu]

so 9gag specialises in rehashing jokes older than Hoffs underwear?

[Obble]

You can gag on my 9inch if you want.

[[∞]MadMike]

When did you BUY that Bob ?

[Dr Woomanchu]

It's his moms

[Obble]

It's his moms

Fucking yanky pig go home! :D

[O-L-W-A-G]

so 9gag specialises in rehashing jokes older than Hoffs underwear?

But it gives you something to pass the time with if you have nothing better to do reused jokes>boredom (and 7 page rage)

[Emrico1]

Zarcov wins thread.

Lock