Battlefield 3 DLC bullshit

[njjvk]

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/hy24b/battlefield_3_preorder_dlc_boycott_coordination/

"As most of you know, EA recently announced an exclusive DLC for preordering BF3. If you don't purchase the pre-order or limited edition version of BF3, you will have to pay extra for the Karkand expansion pack. The only thing not included in the Karkand Expansion pack is the Guns and ammunition, which will create an unfair advantage people who pre-order. As well, charging people extra to play maps available on day one. This was a decision made by EA, and not DICE. DICE and all of us need your help to get EA to wake up and change their decision."

Help! EA are ruining our game!

[Munchie]

Hmmm......

[njjvk]

They tried to do it with BFBC1 and the internet stopped them. Let's do it again internet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcastic_Gamer#Boycott

[brucewillis2]

activision did the same thing in fu*king up Call of Duty, and they are currently screwing up World of Warcraft as well (I can hear the gasps of horror from monpepe and co.)

but I'll be preordering anyway. This game is a must have.

[njjvk]

Don't preorder man! Did you see the one where to get the T88 you have to preorder? Not like in bc2 where you just get it early, it is actually locked out of anyone who doesn't preorders hands. The fuck is that shit?!

[5tacK]

Non-issue tbh. BFBC2 had exactly the same thing (minus the maps).

[brucewillis2]

Don't preorder man! Did you see the one where to get the T88 you have to preorder? Not like in bc2 where you just get it early, it is actually locked out of anyone who doesn't preorders hands. The $#@! is that $#@!?!

are you sure? isn't it just the maps?

[5tacK]

No the weapon (skins/names) are exclusive to the DLC. There will be other weapons with similar characteristics available to everyone.

As long as the balancing is right, one player having 'x' gun won't have any advantage over player 2 with 'y' gun.

Garand anyone?

[prolax]

Why are people only qq'ing about it now? It's been known for quite awhile that you'll have to pay extra to obtain the back to karkand maps, and that the pre-order only weapon packs are exclusive to people who pre-order.

I think it's pretty shitty, although I totally understand where they are coming from. Looked at the amount of DLC's COD titles have with them? Plenty. It's not enough to turn me off the game - BF3 is PC FPS's last chance, so i'm willing to give a little.

[brucewillis2]

No the weapon (skins/names) are exclusive to the DLC. There will be other weapons with similar characteristics available to everyone.

As long as the balancing is right, one player having 'x' gun won't have any advantage over player 2 with 'y' gun.

Garand anyone?

oh yeah. lol!

couldn't care less if that's the type of weapons they are handing out. Also I couldn't care less if there is some new sexy green wookie suit to buy, because I won't be.

still I'd rather get it for free of course.

[Spork]

Don't know about sexy green, but sexy pink i'd be hell in for that shit!

[njjvk]

You guys are all willing to just bend over and take it, saying it isn't an advantage to have a sniper flash suppressor for example is bullshit. If this is the sad future of gaming then count me the fuck out. They tried to pull this shit on bad company 1 and the people got them to stop. What's next? 10% weapon damage increase, $20? Crash opponents game, $10?

[Speakman]

You guys are all willing to just bend over and take it, saying it isn't an advantage to have a sniper flash suppressor for example is bullshit. If this is the sad future of gaming then count me the fuck out. They tried to pull this shit on bad company 1 and the people got them to stop. What's next? 10% weapon damage increase, $20? Crash opponents game, $10?

calm the fuck down precious.

[Munchie]

I don't think the sniper flash supressor is really game breaking advantage... and as if they would bring in 10% weapon dmg for $$$. Also I'm 100% sure that you only get those weapons in the UK Battlefield 3 Physical Warfare edition, not limited edition

[LeadCollector]

Be honest though how many of you will be pre-ordering? So according to EA_PWNED all pre orders form any vendor will get the DLC free so what is the problem really?

[Pho3n1x]

You guys are all willing to just bend over and take it, saying it isn't an advantage to have a sniper flash suppressor for example is bullshit. If this is the sad future of gaming then count me the fuck out. They tried to pull this shit on bad company 1 and the people got them to stop. What's next? 10% weapon damage increase, $20? Crash opponents game, $10?

Yea mate totally agree we need anonymous to take down the EA site in protest! ...Seriously just pre order. You're getting a feature packed expansion for free. If you don't then at least they are charging for proper expansion packs and not just map packs and randy online stat tracking like COD. This is by far the lesser of two evils. Who cares. If the weapons are game breaking DICE will nerf them.

[prolax]

I don't think the sniper flash supressor is really game breaking advantage... and as if they would bring in 10% weapon dmg for $$$. Also I'm 100% sure that you only get those weapons in the UK Battlefield 3 Physical Warfare edition, not limited edition

Correct, there will be region-only DLC. So it's not like you'll ever be playing against people with the physical warfare pack anyway.

[brucewillis2]

Be honest though how many of you will be pre-ordering? So according to EA_PWNED all pre orders form any vendor will get the DLC free so what is the problem really?

yeah this is what I was counting on. I'm not too fussed about it tbh, its when they have an EA store where you can buy new stuff which other cannot DL for free as an ADVANTAGE, different outfits and gun skins doesn't bother me in the slightest. I would never spend money on shit like that.

when special forces came out I wasn't too concerned with getting that either. New weapons, new maps... sometimes when enough work has been put into it you can't expect it for free.

I would like to know exactly WHAT is in the Karkand pack beside a map.

[monpepe]

Cant do anything about and I am still ganna get the game.

[Gunner]

Wow this is old news. Didn't think it was too much of a problem a few weeks ago and still don't think it's a game breaker now, no matter what the Reddit hive mind thinks. I would prefer any DLC be universally available and free, but I'm not as mad about it as njjvk seems to be.

[5tacK]

You guys are all willing to just bend over and take it, saying it isn't an advantage to have a sniper flash suppressor for example is bullshit. If this is the sad future of gaming then count me the fuck out. They tried to pull this shit on bad company 1 and the people got them to stop. What's next? 10% weapon damage increase, $20? Crash opponents game, $10?

The day that 'game sense' becomes a DLC will be the day I worry about what other players spend their money on.

If the beta (aka demo) is good, then anyone who doesn't pre-order for the Karkand expansion maps won't be playing on four of the main maps anyway. They won't see many of the kool kids who have sooper dooper re-skinned guns with perks that will offer no real advantage either way.

[Munchie]

I like the extra skins on weapons and gear lol...yes I am 1 of those ppl, don't judge!! O.O

[Emrico1]

The guns are like NEWB cannons and care about flash suppressor.

Can I pre-order and not get all that crap?

[prolax]

Considering you don't live in the UK, yes.

[Machpants]

I too am worried about 500 ping poms with their flash suppressors....

[Anaraith]

Pre-order. Get maps at no extra cost. Where be problem?

[Cowwie]

Pre-order. Get maps at no extra cost. Where be problem?

bf3 might turn out to be crap?, but then this is bf3 we are talking about tbh in this instance its worth taking the gamble.

Dice should just price the dlc so its just a minor speed bump for the late comers/skeptics.

[Emrico1]

Considering you don't live in the UK, yes.

I am facepalming myself at myself.
Wonder what we will get. G36e, RPK and extra nades gogogogo

[prolax]

I think it's silly to release DLC bundles exclusively to countries, in the end that must end up with quite a bit of content that not everyone can access.

[mattnz]

I like personalised DLCs such as these. The narcissists discount it for the rest of us.

[5tacK]

bf3 might turn out to be crap?, but then this is bf3 we are talking about tbh in this instance its worth taking the gamble.

Dice should just price the dlc so its just a minor speed bump for the late comers/skeptics.

The beta/demo will be out before the game is released. Therefore if BF3 is shit no one has to take a gamble on the pre-order.

[brucewillis2]

I am facepalming myself at myself.
Wonder what we will get. G36e, RPK and extra nades gogogogo

bullets that sniff out snipers and not only kill them but it deletes the game off their harddrive.

[njjvk]

I'm not saying it's going to be a shit game, I'm saying we shouldn't let the fucking publisher do things like this just to make an extra dollar.

[Speakman]

but if you get off your arse, go to a store and preorder, its a non-issue. doesn't cost you anything more than the game will on release




reddit armies are getting worse than /b/ armies

[njjvk]

It's a bullshit ploy to get people to preorder... Fuck that I'm waiting for it on Steam. Get my two TF2 hats bonus probably.

Notch (Minecraft) - "When I make a movie, it will have different exclusive scenes added to it depending on what cinema you go to."

Also it's not just me getting in an uproar about this...

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/06/battlefield-3-preorder-weapon-and-item-bonuses-annoy-fans.ars

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/06/13/boycott-against-battlefield-3-is-underway/#more-62067

http://blogs.forbes.com/insertcoin/2011/06/13/the-day-dlc-went-too-far/

http://i.imgur.com/KEHVh.jpg

[njjvk]

Reddit armies are at least trying to stop them from doing this so you should be thankful.

[BeNZene]

Reddit armies are at least trying to stop them from doing this so you should be thankful.

Why would I thank them for attacking the only publisher who looks like producing a good FPS, on account of a storm in a tea cup?

The genre of PC-based FPS is pretty much in intensive care if its not dying already. It's been years since a decent FPS came out. So this idea that we should boycott BF3 - and play what? Minesweeper? BFPlay4Free? Or maybe we should put some money into it (although they aren't asking for paid DLC.... just a pre-order) in the hope that someone will see PC games as profitable enough to invest money making them.

But then, maybe you and reddit are operating on some higher plane, where money isn't the reason games get made...

[Machpants]

Yeah it is a total storm in a teacup. But the storm is raising replies

Q: Is the Physical Warfare Pack available in all regions, or just in the UK?
A: It will be available worldwide at select retailers. It was first announced in the UK. Exact details for other countries and retailers will be announced at a later date.



Q: Will Physical Warfare Pack imbalance the game?
A: The three exclusive items in the Physical Warfare Pack were specifically chosen not to be overpowered or imbalance or break the game in any way.



Q: Why do I want the Physical Warfare Pack?
A: Owning these items will give you a more varied arsenal, but it will not give you a significant advantage on the battlefield.



Q: Is the Back to Karkand expansion pack exclusive to pre-orders?
A: No. You can also buy it separately if you do not pre-order Battlefield 3. Back to Karkand will be available the exact same date after the launch of Battlefield 3 no matter if you pre-ordered or buy it separately.



Q: When will the Back to Karkand expansion pack be released?
A: We have not yet announced the Back to Karkand expansion pack release date.



Q: How much does the Back to Karkand Expansion pack cost?
A: We have not yet announced a price. However, it will be included in the Limited Edition at no extra charge.



Q: Do I have to choose between Back to Karkand and the Physical Warfare Pack as my pre-order bonus?

A: No. There is no way you can pre-order Battlefield 3: Limited Edition and not end up with the Back to Karkand expansion pack at no extra charge. On top of this, select retailers all over the world will carry the Physical Warfare Pack. Exact details for other countries and retailers will be announced at a later date.



Q: Why do you offer pre-order bonus items?

A: Because we believe in rewarding our core fanbase with special offers -- such as giving them the Back to Karkand expansion pack at no extra charge.

[brucewillis2]

It's a bull$#@! ploy to get people to preorder... $#@! that I'm waiting for it on Steam.

It's not like MW2 where they didn't release a demo and pretty much kept the game under wraps until it was released. They are showing you what the game looks like, you can see what people think of it from E3 (and some of these are BF2 players). Buying it is a no brainer so you might as well pre-order it.

[Cowwie]

I'm not saying it's going to be a $#@! game, I'm saying we shouldn't let the $#@!ing publisher do things like this just to make an extra dollar.

As far as im concerned they are primarily doing it to get fence sitters off the fence and into their lap where they can then boast how many pre orders they have compared to its arch nemsis COD3 otherwise they would have charged us all for them.

If we all had to pay for these 4 expansion maps at launch id be on your side.

It is a bit sneaky they are making people bypass checking reviews before buying the game but i can see where they are comming from on this one, personally for any other game id probably wouldn't be as trusting.

Given how much COD makes people pay through the nose for their game i probably would't even mind taking the safer approach and paying alittle extra for these 4 maps.

MEH! ;)

[Cowwie]

The beta/demo will be out before the game is released. Therefore if BF3 is $#@! no one has to take a gamble on the pre-order.

So the beta isn't limited to these who buy MOH?, i see they were pushing that angle again recently, no way in hell im buying that ... game to get a beta.

[Dr Woomanchu]

Of course they are trying to get peopel to pre order, it is a damn sensible buisiness model.

They want you to give them the use of your money early, by pre ordering. To do so, they need to offer and incentive, so they are offering soemthing else you'd pay for later, for free as an incentive. It is no different to a retailer throwing in a "free" gift on a deal, when other people would have to buy it separately.

The development time, investment and risk these gaming companies go to is substantial and I have no issues at all with how this is being marketed and offered. It is a bloody intelligent attempt to manage cashflow and if they have any sense they'll ignore all the 18 yr olds squawking about it.

I'll happily pre order on steam, when it becomes available and take their incentives

[Plasma]

I like the extra skins on weapons and gear lol...yes I am 1 of those ppl, don't judge!! O.O

I'm a sucker for flashy crap as well :)

Don't mind DLC for skins and pointless crap but the day 1 map pack seems a bit stupid.

[brucewillis2]

blah blah blah check out my new avatar

I am! I am! - holy sh*t that's hot...

[Munchie]

Hmmm When will it come to Steam tho? That is what I'm waiting for. 2142 is now available on Origin when it was supposed to come to Steam months ago.

[mattnz]

I'm a sucker for flashy crap as well :)

Don't mind DLC for skins and pointless crap but the day 1 map pack seems a bit stupid.

It is not a Day 1 Map Pack.

And it's not like they're asking you to preorder site-unseen. There will be a beta, after which I'm sure there will be plenty of time to preorder. I too will preorder on Steam after I've had a go on the beta, but even if it disappoints and it's just like BC2, that's still better than anything else at the moment.

[Plasma]

It is not a Day 1 Map Pack.

And it's not like they're asking you to preorder site-unseen. There will be a beta, after which I'm sure there will be plenty of time to preorder. I too will preorder on Steam after I've had a go on the beta, but even if it disappoints and it's just like BC2, that's still better than anything else at the moment.

So if I don't pre-order I still get the maps for free on release day ?

Sounded to me if I don't preorder and walk into EBgames on release day I would have to pay for the game and then again for the maps.

[hmpty]

will it be on steam? ea seems to be pushing it's 'origin' service which is pretty much the same thing (friends list etc) - idk if EA wants to play nice with bf3 :/

here's that link http://www.origin.com/uk/about

[Dr Woomanchu]

I will be disappoint if I have to install a new games hub. My name on MSN live should give you a clue . it's IHateForcedJoin

[mattnz]

So if I don't pre-order I still get the maps for free on release day ?

Sounded to me if I don't preorder and walk into EBgames on release day I would have to pay for the game and then again for the maps.

The maps are not going to be available on release day.

And yeah, I'm just assuming about Steam. Seems silly for them not to though.

[Mayhem_Lee]

So we going to have a super patch to get the new maps then?

[kongkiwi]

So we going to have a super patch to get the new maps then?

I have something super you can have, hope that helps....

[Mayhem_Lee]

I have something super you can have, hope that helps....

something super small? soz i get that from shoe

[Serris]

The weapons are not really the issue, which surprises me that 99% of the rage going on at the moment is based off that. The main issue is the fact that there are 4 maps that everyone who pre-orders will get , and those who do not pre-order will then not have. And they will need to buy them later if they want. Now this in of itself is not a massive problem, i'm not here to argue for or againts DLC in general.

But lets say 50% of the community pre-order and 50% do not.
That means 50% of our player pool (which is what keeps a game alive over time) will NOT have those maps. Which means most server administrators will NOT put them into the rotation. Why? Becuase if they are there, you run the risk of instantly booting half the server each time those maps roll around, which in turn will make those players not connect at all to those servers in future. This lessens the pool of people we get to play against. And you know what effect that has, the game dies sooner than later. Bad Company 2 has had a really good run, and its a shame that actual game content DLC like this can and will have such a bad impact. Why EA (blaming them, not DICE) cannot see this is beyond me.

The flipside of that is that if the server admins don't put the maps on because of said issues, then the people who DO have them won't ever get to play them. Which is pretty lollers mckek +9 vs ogres if you ask me. Imagine if the Vietnam maps for BC2 were in the normal server rotations, that is pretty much what you would be looking at.

[mattnz]

It has been like that since BF2, so no one is really surprised.

[5loth]

The weapons are not really the issue, which surprises me that 99% of the rage going on at the moment is based off that. The main issue is the fact that there are 4 maps that everyone who pre-orders will get , and those who do not pre-order will then not have. And they will need to buy them later if they want. Now this in of itself is not a massive problem, i'm not here to argue for or againts DLC in general.

But lets say 50% of the community pre-order and 50% do not.
That means 50% of our player pool (which is what keeps a game alive over time) will NOT have those maps. Which means most server administrators will NOT put them into the rotation. Why? Becuase if they are there, you run the risk of instantly booting half the server each time those maps roll around, which in turn will make those players not connect at all to those servers in future. This lessens the pool of people we get to play against. And you know what effect that has, the game dies sooner than later. Bad Company 2 has had a really good run, and its a shame that actual game content DLC like this can and will have such a bad impact. Why EA (blaming them, not DICE) cannot see this is beyond me.

The flipside of that is that if the server admins don't put the maps on because of said issues, then the people who DO have them won't ever get to play them. Which is pretty lollers mckek +9 vs ogres if you ask me. Imagine if the Vietnam maps for BC2 were in the normal server rotations, that is pretty much what you would be looking at.

Its not a big deal.

Server hosts will have servers with and without the extra maps. If you don't have the extra maps, you will just use the servers that don't have them in their rotation (or get booted once it hits that map). Those that do can use both. Both will be populated at release anyway due to such high demand. Personally I'd be playing the non-DLC servers so I can explore the new maps, more than playing remakes of maps I already know.

[Serris]

It has been like that since BF2, so no one is really surprised.

I was a bit surprised after DICE's comment at E3 poking fun at MW3 and its associated pay for content path. The insinuation was that they weren't going to go down that path.

Don't get me wrong, I am pre-ordering, and I will have this map pack so I am all sorted. I was more commenting on the effect it would have on the available pool of players, and that anything that dilutes that in multiplayer is a tad off.

[njjvk]

Q: Is the Back to Karkand expansion pack exclusive to pre-orders?
A: No. You can also buy it separately if you do not pre-order Battlefield 3. Back to Karkand will be available the exact same date after the launch of Battlefield 3 no matter if you pre-ordered or buy it separately.

Wait what..? So it isn't available to people on the day it is released?

[Cowwie]

I was a bit surprised after DICE's comment at E3 poking fun at MW3 and its associated pay for content path. The insinuation was that they weren't going to go down that path.

Don't get me wrong, I am pre-ordering, and I will have this map pack so I am all sorted. I was more commenting on the effect it would have on the available pool of players, and that anything that dilutes that in multiplayer is a tad off.


The game would have to be in a pretty frail state for dilution to take place so early, bf2 was still going strong easily one year after release.

Imo if one doesn't pre order or buy the expansion pack later they were never serious about bf3 to start with,i doubt they are going to charge a arm and a leg for it.

[prolax]

Some people in this thread have mentioned purchasing BF3 over steam, I doubt this will happen. With EA's new release of their own client "Origin" you'll most likely see BF3 to only be available through that.

Just a guess.

[mattnz]

Q: Is the Back to Karkand expansion pack exclusive to pre-orders?
A: No. You can also buy it separately if you do not pre-order Battlefield 3. Back to Karkand will be available the exact same date after the launch of Battlefield 3 no matter if you pre-ordered or buy it separately.

Wait what..? So it isn't available to people on the day it is released?

No, and they always said it wouldn't. People just seem to have plucked it out of thin air that it would.

[njjvk]

It's not about the game, it's not about the fact that it probably won't cost much, it's about the fact that EA do shit like this and if you let them it will only get worse. You guys seem to be forgetting they tried to pull this on bfbc1 and the internet stopped them...

[mattnz]

There's probably roughly 2 people on this board that played BC1. So no, no one remembers.

[njjvk]

Never forget. How come in their own promotional material they declare some of the weapons as "essential"? Either way it still means someone can kill me with something that's impossible for me to get without preordering, which is completely unacceptable in a FPS.

[Mayhem_Lee]

Wasn't that console nub game? where nubs pay for xbox live etc anyway

[Speakman]

Never forget. How come in their own promotional material they declare some of the weapons as "essential"? Either way it still means someone can kill me with something that's impossible for me to get without preordering, which is completely unacceptable in a FPS.

maybe you'll read it if its in caps and has pretty colours


PREORDER IT THEN


preordering doesn't cost you anything. at all. its a convenience to you, that's all it is. not a money grabbing exercise

[Pho3n1x]

It's not about the game, it's not about the fact that it probably won't cost much, it's about the fact that EA do shit like this and if you let them it will only get worse. You guys seem to be forgetting they tried to pull this on bfbc1 and the internet stopped them...

K instead of pre ordering and getting to play this game i'll not buy it and play cod4 or solitaire or something. I'll be bored but at least i'll be internet superhero right?

[njjvk]

I don't preorder games on principal. Medal of Honor fucked me over good.

HOW ABOUT I WRITE IN CAPS TOO? YOU DON'T HAVE TO BOYCOTT, I"M STILL GOING TO BUY THIS, SIMPLY STATE YOUR DISCONTENT TO EA AND THEY MIGHT CHANGE IT... AGAIN! DON'T JUST SAY 'OH WELL I CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO HELP, MAY AS WELL JUST LET EA FUCK ME IN THE ANUS.'

They could have avoided all this bullshit by simply giving the map pack and weapons to everyone and simply making preordering $10 cheaper but no.

As for what "Jontyb" said -

"preordering doesn't cost you anything. at all. its a convenience to you, that's all it is. not a money grabbing exercise"

How is giving exclusive ammo and guns to people who buy from CERTAIN stores not a money grabbing exercise? How? There is no other way to get the fletchette ammo. No other way.

http://i.imgur.com/1hy5e.jpg

[Pho3n1x]

I just think you are taking this completely out of proportion. Let them get their money. I'm gonna pre order and enjoy my flachette things and flash suppressor. Then no one is going to care. Just like no one cares if they haven't got the m1 Garand in bc2 if they haven't got veteran status (I'm one of them). Wait till the beta till you start posting in caps.

[mattnz]

Hell, I haven't bothered activating my veteran status because I don't care that much.

[njjvk]

First, it was the horse armour. But it was cosmetic and didn't effect me.
Then it was the skins. But it was cosmetic and didn't effect me.
Then it was the map packs. But they were extra and cool.
Then, it was the gameplay. But it was too late.

[Pho3n1x]

The garand in bc2 proved that one gun doesn't drastically affect gameplay (so long as it's balanced!)

[njjvk]

How do you know the t88 is going to be balanced? Case in point, the m60 in MOH.

[GrumpyHitler]

I haven't read all this thread but from what I've seen this is being blown so so so out of proportion.

1 I was planning to pre-order anyway
2 This is old news if you watched a few videos
3 Not quite the same but even pre-ordering in bc2 gave u advantages


My main point is to think about this for what it really is, it is rewarding customers who pre-order not punishing those who don't

Bc2 proved that Dice can balance weapons, I'm sure the suppressor (which is for the SKS if you didn't know) etc won't be ground breakingly kickass, same as the garand wasn't in bc2 "OMFG THOSE RAT BASTARDS AT DICE ARE FORCING YOU TO BUY OTHER DICE GAMES TO GET THE EXTRA WEAPONS IN BC2!!!" <-- I personally never heard that. People (probably cod fags) are just looking for something they can bash upon in this so far flawless looking game.

[njjvk]

It's not old news this was unveiled like 3 days ago. The map pack is old news.

[Dr Woomanchu]

The beauty of the free market is that you can register your protest by not giving them any of your money. Those of us who have no issue with their marketing techniques will pre order. They're a corporate. Their sole judge as to whether a marketing strategy succeeds or fails will be sales.

Eg: I don't like Apples model of tying up content to the hardware, so I have given them very little of my money over the years. It's no skin off my nose that millions of people don't share my view and have made Apples business model a success.

[mattnz]

I haven't read all this thread but from what I've seen this is being blown so so so out of proportion.

1 I was planning to pre-order anyway
2 This is old news if you watched a few videos
3 Not quite the same but even pre-ordering in bc2 gave u advantages


My main point is to think about this for what it really is, it is rewarding customers who pre-order not punishing those who don't

Bc2 proved that Dice can balance weapons, I'm sure the suppressor (which is for the SKS if you didn't know) etc won't be ground breakingly kickass, same as the garand wasn't in bc2 "OMFG THOSE RAT BASTARDS AT DICE ARE FORCING YOU TO BUY OTHER DICE GAMES TO GET THE EXTRA WEAPONS IN BC2!!!" <-- I personally never heard that. People (probably cod fags) are just looking for something they can bash upon in this so far flawless looking game.

Furthermore, if it's anything like BC2 you're gonna choose between a flash suppressor and magnum ammo or something faaaar more useful.

[Munchie]

DICE confirmed no ammo will be like BC2's magnum. Those shotgun ammo rounds let you penetrate objects but their base damage is nerfed, so it's not a problem.

OP you can boycott all you like but the majority of us have been waiting for proper PC FPS game since BF2? Finally DICE is making it for PC lead just when we thought PC gaming was dead, so we are very thankful and excited. If the boycott is sucessful and they lose money, don't you think they will turn their back on us PC players once and for all? Just pre-order then damn thing because it will NOT be like MOH.

[kilabee]

^^

I agree completely....I think.I can't get past the first sentence with that avatar.

[Anaraith]

First, it was the horse armour. But it was cosmetic and didn't effect me.
Then it was the skins. But it was cosmetic and didn't effect me.
Then it was the map packs. But they were extra and cool.
Then, it was the gameplay. But it was too late.

This isn't gameplay, its a few extras. Think of it this way, people who are preordering are taking a risk in that the game could be a flop. For this risk they take they get a reward, a few extras.

If you don't wish to preorder that is your choice. But don't have a fucking cry about it when you don't get the extras.

[Pho3n1x]

Yea pretty sure the Physical Warfare pack was reveiled like a month ago too. At the time I thought "cool" and that was it. Some people just like getting rarked up over anything...

[BushySB]

Jesus man its being made for PC

who gives a shit about having to pay for DLC or that exclusive useless stuff if you dont pre-order

Pre-order and show Dice/EA that the PC community supports them making a PC lead game

[njjvk]

None of you are looking towards the future.

5114

[Dr Woomanchu]

Yes we are. If they released Dragon Age 3 under that model I wouldn't buy it, and neither would most other people, so it wouldn't happen. They're welcome to try though and if enough people did buy it, good luck to them.

[Pho3n1x]

None of you are looking towards the future.

5114

You're like one of those Johavah's witness guys preaching that the end times are near.

[Gunner]

It's not old news this was unveiled like 3 days ago. The map pack is old news.

No, your wrong. It is old news. 23rd of last month I believe. Not everything on Reddit in original up to date.

http://www.totalgamingnetwork.com/content.php?4305-Battlefield-3-Limited-Edition-Physical-Warfare-Pack-Available-for-Preorder-in-UK

Also you seem to forget the Special Forces for Battlefield 2. This was an expansion that gave you exclusive content in Vanilla BF2, in the form of an extra gun for every class and an extra unlock every time you ranked up. That's 6 exclusive weapons. These guns were fairly decent, G36E (faggot noob gun the E was), L96A1, anyone else remember? This stuff isn't new and it isn't something to be worried about. Shit, compared to SF this isn't really that bad.

[5loth]

None of you are looking towards the future.

5114

Speak with your wallet. if enough people agree with you, they will change.

[njjvk]

Yes we are. If they released Dragon Age 3 under that model I wouldn't buy it, and neither would most other people, so it wouldn't happen. They're welcome to try though and if enough people did buy it, good luck to them.

Woo does not understand satire. Oh well GG everybody, I hope I remember this day in ten years when everything is DLC.

[mattnz]

Actually..... I'm planning to DL this off Steam. OMG!!! ITZ ALL DLC!!1 THE APOPOCLYPES!!!!!11!1

[Dr Woomanchu]

I understood perfectly it was satire. The point I was making is that you've failed to understand that the behaviour is self limiting due to market forces, so satricial claims that we're on a slippery slope to extremes are incorrect.

[njjvk]

I'd actually call it shady tactics to try beat MW3 with presales.

Once again http://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/80221497184108544

Pre-order DLC is not the same as retailer-specific DLC. Notch's comment makes sense.

[njjvk]

"

Q: Why do you offer pre-order bonus items?
A: Because we believe in rewarding our core fanbase with special offers -- such as giving them the Back to Karkand expansion pack at no extra charge.
I would like to consider myself part of the core fanbase. I own 6 Battlefield games, including the following:


Battlefield 1942 (PC)
Battlefield 2 (PC)
Battlefield 2: Special Forces (PC)
Battlefield 2142 (PC)
Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (Xbox 360)
Battlefield 1943 (Xbox 360)
and even played a little bit of Battlefield Heroes (PC)

This being said, I rarely ever pre-order games. Though I do usually buy them in the first week of sale. I don't believe in it for numerous reasons. More important, I don't believe in being coerced into buying from specific retailers in order to get the full-experience. It's anti-consumer and any company forcing this should be ashamed.
So EA is saying that I am NOT a core member...because I don't preorder. Yet, I own a huge number of their games and bought them new at full price.
Please explain this logic EA!"

[Dr Woomanchu]

That's actually been done, and recently. Salt had 2 or 3 different endings that were shown at different times and venues.

[Speakman]

its like that h264 prat all over again

[mattnz]

"

Q: Why do you offer pre-order bonus items?
A: Because we believe in rewarding our core fanbase with special offers -- such as giving them the Back to Karkand expansion pack at no extra charge.
I would like to consider myself part of the core fanbase. I own 6 Battlefield games, including the following:


Battlefield 1942 (PC)
Battlefield 2 (PC)
Battlefield 2: Special Forces (PC)
Battlefield 2142 (PC)
Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (Xbox 360)
Battlefield 1943 (Xbox 360)
and even played a little bit of Battlefield Heroes (PC)

This being said, I rarely ever pre-order games. Though I do usually buy them in the first week of sale. I don't believe in it for numerous reasons. More important, I don't believe in being coerced into buying from specific retailers in order to get the full-experience. It's anti-consumer and any company forcing this should be ashamed.
So EA is saying that I am NOT a core member...because I don't preorder. Yet, I own a huge number of their games and bought them new at full price.
Please explain this logic EA!"

Okay. How is this different from the DLC in BF2, 2142, and BC2? Except for that they're giving it away free to brand loyalists?

[Gunner]

So is the only reason your against it, njjvk, is because it's a pre-order thing rather than, say, an expansion after the game is released?

[njjvk]

Yes.

[njjvk]

Okay. How is this different from the DLC in BF2, 2142, and BC2? Except for that they're giving it away free to brand loyalists?

You answered your own question.

[mattnz]

I would rather they give me it free than I have to pay for it?

Honestly, I'll be pissed if it ships with 5 maps and I have to pay for the remainder. But if it ships with what I consider a full complement of maps, why would I care? They're giving to me for free what they usually charge for?

[Gunner]

So you would be happy to pay for this content after it's released, rather than get it free by pre-ordering?

[njjvk]

It's not the maps Gunner, it's the locked out weapons. If they were unlock-able through experience, everything would be fine, but the fact is they aren't. If you don't buy it from say 'The Warehouse' for example you don't get a certain gun plus a couple other things. Period. That is shady as fuck plus a potential game breaker since no game truly is balanced on release so how can they say these weapons will be balanced?

[BROX]

How this is going to throw balance out the window is beyond me..... I see 0 issues with it. The dev's would hardly place something in there to unbalance everything and ruin the experience so people ragequit and never play again. They want pre-orders and they want people to play their game as long as possible after release.

If you have some fundamental issue with pre-ordering then that's your decision, but it's pretty obvious almost everyone here disagrees and won't be convinced otherwise :P

PC lead platform - This is all I really cared about :P

[mattnz]

Because they will make absolutely sure that those weapons are not overpowered to avoid the wrath of whiny kids?

I'd rather a couple of token weapons than a stupid plastic bust of Duke Nukem, and you're not bitching that the bust isn't available any more.

[Nostargate]

I like the extra skins on weapons and gear lol...yes I am 1 of those ppl, don't judge!! O.O

Accessorise GF * 2 snaps up in a circle *

[Gunner]

It's not the maps Gunner, it's the locked out weapons. If they were unlock-able through experience, everything would be fine, but the fact is they aren't. If you don't buy it from say 'The Warehouse' for example you don't get a certain gun plus a couple other things. Period. That is shady as $#@! plus a potential game breaker since no game truly is balanced on release so how can they say these weapons will be balanced?

Did you read my BF2 SF example? They did the same thing. Buy Battlefield 2 from 'The Warehouse' (do they even sell it anymore?) and try to use the G36E or P90 which many people in multiplayer use. You can't because you need SF. The difference here is it is a couple weapons and a couple weapon mods, and it's completely free if you pre-order. Same idea, didn't break Bf2, won't be a problem in Bf3.

[njjvk]

What are you on about Gunner, SF didn't come out at the same time as BF2... It came out waaaayyy later and was an actual expansion pack with maps and weapons.

[DeiCidal]

Nick!!!! Im preodering the game for you. So you dont need to feed the machine

[Gunner]

What are you on about Gunner, SF didn't come out at the same time as BF2... It came out waaaayyy later and was an actual expansion pack with maps and weapons.

Battlefield 2 has weapons in multiplayer which you cannot use if you have not purchased the expansion pack called Special Forces. Source (http://wiki.bf2s.com/weapons/unlocks#battlefield-2special-forces-unlocks)

Battlefield 3 has weapons in multiplayer which you cannot use if you have not pre-ordered.

Same idea, different time frame. Exclusive weapons for people who do something beneficial for the publisher. Former was not a game breaker. Latter will not either.

[GhostOfGallipoli]

IT'S NOT PAYING EXTRA

pretty much the ENTIRE internet has got this wrong;

the back to karkand DLC is available FREE to ALL pre order customers, at all retailers (I believe...def EB games, but I don't think it's exclusive)
it includes karkand, sharqui, oman and wake, as well as some classic weapons & vehicles

then EXCLUSIVLY EB games has the physical warfare DLC which has the type 88, flash suppressor, DOA & flechette ammo, this is also a FREE pre order bonus.

everybody has lost their shit over this (on the various message boards at least) and i really dont get it....people acting like EA killed their pets AND pulled dedicated server support.

[kongkiwi]

Like anyone in this thread is not going to get BF3.....so who cares?

[GhostOfGallipoli]

I don't preorder games on principal. Medal of Honor fucked me over good.

HOW ABOUT I WRITE IN CAPS TOO? YOU DON'T HAVE TO BOYCOTT, I"M STILL GOING TO BUY THIS, SIMPLY STATE YOUR DISCONTENT TO EA AND THEY MIGHT CHANGE IT... AGAIN! DON'T JUST SAY 'OH WELL I CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO HELP, MAY AS WELL JUST LET EA FUCK ME IN THE ANUS.'

They could have avoided all this bullshit by simply giving the map pack and weapons to everyone and simply making preordering $10 cheaper but no.

As for what "Jontyb" said -

"preordering doesn't cost you anything. at all. its a convenience to you, that's all it is. not a money grabbing exercise"

How is giving exclusive ammo and guns to people who buy from CERTAIN stores not a money grabbing exercise? How? There is no other way to get the fletchette ammo. No other way.

http://i.imgur.com/1hy5e.jpg

you have a choice;

against preorders? (god knows why but whatevs)
then dont pre order - but you dont get the "thankyou for preordering" rewards

want the rewards?
then preorder

choice is a beautiful thing.

everyone has the ability...especially this far out...to make up their own damn mind, each has it's pro's & con's, but why shouldn't a business (either a game maker OR a retailer) reward their customers for showing early interest/commitment?

cry on the internet, or $10 down...your call.

[kookynic]

yeah i dont care about extra $$

bf3 is where the community will be

[GhostOfGallipoli]

yeah i dont care about extra $$

bf3 is where the community will be

oh yeah, kooky, you are doing your preorder through me and coming to the midnight release....no arguing.

[Arseynimz]

Okay - so you can all get it right.......

Publishers offer various bonuses to get pre-orders sorted. EB's business operates (like any games business) on the basis of getting as many pre-orders as possible, this allows budgeting from the reseller, the publisher knows how much to ship where and generally life is sweet - simple resell and distribution model. In the case of EA, they have developed a new release model of selling a burst of "Limited Edition" versions of their game. These are brought in as a quantity from the publisher, and then delivered to the reseller at no extra cost, but purely as an incentive to the early adopters to buy the game - i.e. Limited Edition Crysis 2 and Medal of Honor - you but it now, you get free shit, but if you buy it later and all the Ltd Ed's are sold, bad luck you don't get free shit. This is EA's approach - so the Limited Edition is purely a release distribution copy with an incentive to adopt it early.

In the case of EB, or JB, or any other reseller who picks up a further pre-purchase offer scheme, you may get other shit. In the case of EB, they have done a deal via Australia for DLC in game. It is more than likely (as it has been for numerous other games) that this DLC will be fuck all in the scheme of the game, but the want to have something no one else has is something that we all want, and thus a mouse pad, DLC, art book, keyring, t shirt etc is always going to be something that makes the buyer think twice about where they will go. So the EB free shit is just an attempted enticement to get it from them.

Now to the DLC at hand - Karkand is available with all the Limited Editions. With the advent and now push of Origin, they'll probably allow the purchase of Karkand through that for those who don't pick up a Ltd Ed, but at the moment, it's all guess work. As for the EB exclusive DLC - it'll probably be like some of the other DLC's EB has had of late or Gamestop for that matter, a mere re-skin of existing weapons that no one really uses - i.e. something to get you interested, but nothing you'll use long term. Not saying I have an inside idea, just saying my theory ;)

[kookynic]

oh yeah, kooky, you are doing your preorder through me and coming to the midnight release....no arguing.

can i dress up?

[Dr Woomanchu]

How would we fin d out early whether they are going to release through Steam or not?

[GhostOfGallipoli]

Okay - so you can all get it right.......

Publishers offer various bonuses to get pre-orders sorted. EB's business operates (like any games business) on the basis of getting as many pre-orders as possible, this allows budgeting from the reseller, the publisher knows how much to ship where and generally life is sweet - simple resell and distribution model. In the case of EA, they have developed a new release model of selling a burst of "Limited Edition" versions of their game. These are brought in as a quantity from the publisher, and then delivered to the reseller at no extra cost, but purely as an incentive to the early adopters to buy the game - i.e. Limited Edition Crysis 2 and Medal of Honor - you but it now, you get free shit, but if you buy it later and all the Ltd Ed's are sold, bad luck you don't get free shit. This is EA's approach - so the Limited Edition is purely a release distribution copy with an incentive to adopt it early.

In the case of EB, or JB, or any other reseller who picks up a further pre-purchase offer scheme, you may get other shit. In the case of EB, they have done a deal via Australia for DLC in game. It is more than likely (as it has been for numerous other games) that this DLC will be fuck all in the scheme of the game, but the want to have something no one else has is something that we all want, and thus a mouse pad, DLC, art book, keyring, t shirt etc is always going to be something that makes the buyer think twice about where they will go. So the EB free shit is just an attempted enticement to get it from them.

Now to the DLC at hand - Karkand is available with all the Limited Editions. With the advent and now push of Origin, they'll probably allow the purchase of Karkand through that for those who don't pick up a Ltd Ed, but at the moment, it's all guess work. As for the EB exclusive DLC - it'll probably be like some of the other DLC's EB has had of late or Gamestop for that matter, a mere re-skin of existing weapons that no one really uses - i.e. something to get you interested, but nothing you'll use long term. Not saying I have an inside idea, just saying my theory ;)

the above is accurate


How would we fin d out early whether they are going to release through Steam or not?

at EA's current pricing on steam, you would end up saving about 3 bucks, and potentially missing out on some DLC....

[henno]

you have a choice;

against preorders? (god knows why but whatevs)
then dont pre order - but you dont get the "thankyou for preordering" rewards

want the rewards?
then preorder

choice is a beautiful thing.

everyone has the ability...especially this far out...to make up their own damn mind, each has it's pro's & con's, but why shouldn't a business (either a game maker OR a retailer) reward their customers for showing early interest/commitment?

cry on the internet, or $10 down...your call.

Have no problem with pre-orders but object to having choice of retailer taken away if I want to get all the extras.
When this is just external paraphernalia such as the rc car not such an issue but when it's actually part of the game it's annoying

[brucewillis2]

then EXCLUSIVLY EB games has the physical warfare DLC which has the type 88, flash suppressor, DOA & flechette ammo, this is also a FREE pre order bonus.

nice. EB has my money then.

[Buzzrker]

Battlefield 2 has weapons in multiplayer which you cannot use if you have not purchased the expansion pack called Special Forces. Source (http://wiki.bf2s.com/weapons/unlocks#battlefield-2special-forces-unlocks)

Battlefield 3 has weapons in multiplayer which you cannot use if you have not pre-ordered.

Same idea, different time frame. Exclusive weapons for people who do something beneficial for the publisher. Former was not a game breaker. Latter will not either.


Did you read my BF2 SF example? They did the same thing. Buy Battlefield 2 from 'The Warehouse' (do they even sell it anymore?) and try to use the G36E or P90 which many people in multiplayer use. You can't because you need SF. The difference here is it is a couple weapons and a couple weapon mods, and it's completely free if you pre-order. Same idea, didn't break Bf2, won't be a problem in Bf3.

Incorrect, if you play a ROUND of SF you get the unlocks, ie go to icafe and play there you get all the unlocks.

[private_hell]

oh yeah, kooky, you are doing your preorder through me and coming to the midnight release....no arguing.

can i come too? i still have to pre order thru you as well

[GrumpyHitler]

I mean don't get me wrong... I HATE EA with a vengeance, I boycotted their games for a number of years because I was tired of them knocking out cheap games with a 4 hour campaign and being charged $100 for it.

HOWEVER

I love DICE (Swedish win) and like Valve they are a dev I wan't to support, this is a choice by EA corp and yeah it may not be perfect but lets not blow this out of proportion. Give Dice Your Money

To be honest what is a flash suppressor really gonna do? This isn't cod with the shot indicator... All the smg in BC2 are suppressed OMFG! It'll probably just remove your choice for optics/lightweight/extra ammo and I don't know about you guys but I normally go for extra ammo/Lightweight anyway.

The shotgun - yeah having flachette rounds will be cool but like in BC2 (I know I say that a lot) the shotguns will probably perfectly balanced. IMO in BC2, if I use an 870,spas,saiga,AA12 I'm gonna get about the same score, Dice seems to make weapons just slightly different so they fit certain players style but aren't significantly better or worse than any of the other guns in the class... for the most part I see a wide variety of weapons being used in each class, not like in cod where I'm constantly being shot by a 74u.

Dice can balance weapons and items; I say that a lot too but what are the weapons in BC2 that should have been OP? The USAS-12 *my bad Matt*- possibly the worst shotgun, The M95 - yeah used a lot but even the M24 IMO is better, The M60- yeah It was stupidly OP for a while their but they nerfed it to be in-line with the rest of the LMG. Oh and lets not forget the semi-auto snipers, they are piss useless.

Dice have proved they can make a great game which unlike its competitors *cough* promotes teamplay instead of camping, have balanced all its weapons and vehicles against all likely hood.

The only real advantage in BC2 that the lower lvl players couldn't use was magnum ammo, I feel that was a mistake but DICE aren't putting that in BF3.


I think all this bs is making us forget that we are FINALLY getting an fps that has been developed on pc, has new leading engines (not some shitty upgrade...you know what I mean) and looks like a modern game should!

Don't let me down BF3

[Plasma]

damn it, I want the flashy crap but CBF going to EB :/

[Dr Woomanchu]

I don;t care enough about flash suppressors to go and buy a hard copy. I'll just buy online when it becomes available

[mattnz]

I mean don't get me wrong... I HATE EA with a vengeance, I boycotted their games for a number of years because I was tired of them knocking out cheap games with a 4 hour campaign and being charged $100 for it.

HOWEVER

I love DICE (Swedish win) and like Valve they are a dev I wan't to support, this is a choice by EA corp and yeah it may not be perfect but lets not blow this out of proportion. Give Dice Your Money

To be honest what is a flash suppressor really gonna do? This isn't cod with the shot indicator... All the smg in BC2 are suppressed OMFG! It'll probably just remove your choice for optics/lightweight/extra ammo and I don't know about you guys but I normally go for extra ammo/Lightweight anyway.

The shotgun - yeah having flachette rounds will be cool but like in BC2 (I know I say that a lot) the shotguns will probably perfectly balanced. IMO in BC2, if I use an 870,spas,saiga,AA12 I'm gonna get about the same score, Dice seems to make weapons just slightly different so they fit certain players style but aren't significantly better or worse than any of the other guns in the class... for the most part I see a wide variety of weapons being used in each class, not like in cod where I'm constantly being shot by a 74u.

Dice can balance weapons and items; I say that a lot too but what are the weapons in BC2 that should have been OP? The AA12 - possibly the worst shotgun, The M95 - yeah used a lot but even the M24 IMO is better, The M60- yeah It was stupidly OP for a while their but they nerfed it to be in-line with the rest of the LMG. Oh and lets not forget the semi-auto snipers, they are piss useless.

Dice have proved they can make a great game which unlike its competitors *cough* promotes teamplay instead of camping, have balanced all its weapons and vehicles against all likely hood.

The only real advantage in BC2 that the lower lvl players couldn't use was magnum ammo, I feel that was a mistake but DICE aren't putting that in BF3.


I think all this bs is making us forget that we are FINALLY getting an fps that has been developed on pc, has new leading engines (not some shitty upgrade...you know what I mean) and looks like a modern game should!

Don't let me down BF3

There's no AA12 in this game.

[brucewillis2]

I mean don't get me wrong... I HATE EA with a vengeance, I boycotted their games for a number of years because I was tired of them knocking out cheap games with a 4 hour campaign and being charged $100 for it...

and lots of other stuff about the game

What are you trying to say here? That Dice are good at balancing games? you hate EA?

pre-order the game and you get all the extra stuff for FREE. It's win win.

[Machpants]

I take it EB is only stores and not online?

[GrumpyHitler]

What are you trying to say here? That Dice are good at balancing games? you hate EA?

pre-order the game and you get all the extra stuff for FREE. It's win win.

Pretty much- EA sin, Dice Win

I was planning to pre-order anyway, I'm hoping/assuming steam gets it.




There's no AA12 in this game.

My bad *fixed

[hmpty]

Ok, so EA has pulled crysis 2 from steam and it's now on origin... and Alice: Madness Returns, is now for exclusive pre-order on origin.

Perhaps i might be being alarmist, but it's a little annoying, and I hope they don't go exclusive with bf3 :/ EA, don't play silly buggers. I guess we'll find out soon enough :p

[Dr Woomanchu]

Ahh well. That's a shame but don't blame them wanting to avoid giving Steam a cut of every sale. Online software sales are the future. Hardcopy will die eventually. I haven;t paid for a software CD in years and the last piece of hardware I bought came with download instructions for the drivers. There was No CD in the box

[Munchie]

2142 was meant to come to Steam but it's now on Origin so BF3 will most likely be Origin I'm afraid.

[prolax]

2142 was on steam the other day, I swear I saw it...

[Machpants]

^Knock off the hallucinogenics dude

[Munchie]

I don't think it was lol. I would of bought it in a snap.

[brucewillis2]

how much cheaper are games on steam anyway or is there another reason for getting a game this way?

[Emrico1]

Damn. I want all my games on steam to save carrying a fuckload heap of disks.
It's got a nice backup function, IM and games are cheap if you have AUD.
Oh well, Bf3 can be special I guess...

[Plasma]

how much cheaper are games on steam anyway or is there another reason for getting a game this way?

Depends on the regional pricing. NZ is generally cheaper but Aussie gets fucked over due to one of local distributors, apparently they get some sort of say in the pricing.

I like steam because I never have to worry about a disk ever.

[mattnz]

Yeah, I got BC2 for about $70 off Steam, it is generally cheaper in my experience.

[Anaraith]

I HATE EA with a vengeance

HOWEVER

I love DICE (Swedish win)

Errr I'm pretty sure EA = DICE :p

[mattnz]

EA is a lot more than DICE.

[Anaraith]

DICE = EA then :p

[njjvk]

Ok, so EA has pulled crysis 2 from steam and it's now on origin... and Alice: Madness Returns, is now for exclusive pre-order on origin.

Perhaps i might be being alarmist, but it's a little annoying, and I hope they don't go exclusive with bf3 :/ EA, don't play silly buggers. I guess we'll find out soon enough :p

No more EA games on Steam guy. Yay for having to install ANOTHER thing...



"Hey John, I got this great idea"
"Lets hear it"
"Ya know Steam? That popular digital download service for PC games that averages 3 million peak users a day."
"Yes I do, as you know this year is PC heavy with TOR and BF3"
"Yeah, lets not use it."
"Hmmmm....BRILLIANT!"




PS: BC2 is like 20 bucks on Steam atm.\\

This guy explains my point of view pretty well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db7-m0YuNU8&feature=channel_video_title#t=5m27s

[GrumpyHitler]

Why don't people know the difference between a publisher and a developer, yes DICE is owned by EA but they are kinda up to their own s***

[Cdr]

People do know the difference, but in this case it's irrelevant - EA is DICE and DICE are EA. Just because they retained the same name that they had when they were independent (and not given a shit name like EA Sweden), doesn't mean that they still are.

Technically, EA are developing and publishing BF3, and will have the final say on what content delivery system it is released on. Unless you think that to be an EA developed game, the devs have to be sat making the game in the Redwood office?

[Plasma]

Don't think we will be seeing BF3 on Steam.

http://kotaku.com/5812264/ea-says-it-was-valve-who-expelled-crysis-2-from-steam

[brucewillis2]

On another note some guy on the BF3 forum is spamming heaps of porn and youtube links on their main forums as a protest to the DLC thing and from what I can see he's a smart one that can't be banned.

[Solarghost]

On another note some guy on the BF3 forum is spamming heaps of porn and youtube links on their main forums as a protest to the DLC thing and from what I can see he's a smart one that can't be banned.

lolol... epic, still... that's just more of an annoyance to themq rather than anything that will change their minds...
If their system was penetrated by a group like the Sony system, stole their data then released it in torrent form.... now THAT would surely make them angry lololol....

And no, I would not like that to happen to them.

[Munchie]

I installed Origin last night... YUK YUK YUK! Have you guys read some of the Terms and Conditions? If you don't use your account with certain time they will close it and you lose your games...What is that cr@p?

[hmpty]

If you don't use your account with certain time they will close it and you lose your games...What is that cr@p?

you're having a laugh...? no?

[Emrico1]

Origin huh. Farout. More bloatware :/

[Munchie]

I'm not joking lol.

[Bell]

Why don't people know the difference between a publisher and a developer, yes DICE is owned by EA but they are kinda up to their own s***

My studio is owned outright by SEGA but is a separate company, we do get abit of creative freedom but if SEGA wants something they generally get it.

[5loth]

Need further information to make judgement on that.

What was the timeframe? If you don't log on for 10 years?

[Spork]

http://support.ea.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2085/showhome/true(preview)

Every time the download button is clicked, a download count will be added to your lifetime total.

Note: Re-installing your operating system, or interrupting a current download, will count as a new computer installation.

Bitches better well bloody not have a install limit, although because they are using this shit, I may well be forced to buy a hard copy, unless even the hard copies will run through this shit.

[hmpty]

interrupting a current download, will count as a new computer installation.

lol. that's not how you do it.

[Dr Woomanchu]

linky says you get 3 installations in 10 days, then you need to contact them if you want to do more. In practice I don't have a major issue with that. I'm not so sure about closing inactive accounts though. Be good to know the time frame

[GrumpyHitler]

People do know the difference, but in this case it's irrelevant - EA is DICE and DICE are EA. Just because they retained the same name that they had when they were independent (and not given a $#@! name like EA Sweden), doesn't mean that they still are.

Technically, EA are developing and publishing BF3, and will have the final say on what content delivery system it is released on. Unless you think that to be an EA developed game, the devs have to be sat making the game in the Redwood office?

Yes but I can choose to support a game developed by the Dice department vs another group of devs because from previous games, I know Dice can deliver vs the other EA dev teams.

[Munchie]

I can't access the site at work, so when I get home will post the timeframe. I think it's 12 or 24months. There are other 'interesting' things in those Terms and Conditions which raises an eye.

[Munchie]

Looks like BF3 is coming to Steam! yes! You can read details here:

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1930839&page=2

[Machpants]

Haha you won njjvk!

I would like to start by clarifying that the Physical Warfare Pack is a time-based exclusive. If you do not pre-order Battlefield 3 at a retailer carrying the Physical Warfare Pack, don’t worry. We will unlock the contents of the Physical Warfare Pack for free to all Battlefield 3 players later this year.



The Physical Warfare Pack will be available as a pre-order bonus all over the globe. Right now, the UK is the only country where it has been announced, but stay tuned to get constant updates on where you can pick this up in your country. And remember, if you do not pre-order, you will still get access to this content at a later date, free of charge. If you do pre-order, you will get access to it from day one.

This is a 'clarification' not a change, YEAH RIGHT

http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/fullstory.php?id=165057

[Buzzrker]

Dont get your panites in a bunch, here is the official statement

http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/battlefield_bad_company/archive/2011/06/16/physical-warfare-pack-available-to-all-battlefield-3-players.aspx

This will probably work like limited edition of bfbc2 where that gave you some early unlocks up front, otherwise you earn them down the line.

[Dr. Acula]

Glad I don't have to worry about all of this, kinda got convinced to pre-order BF3 yesterday at EB Games by a mate who works there, traded in 5 ps2 games and got $33 towards the preorder of the Collectors Edition of BF3(Dunno the difference in editions, but I got a free poster =D) So I'm sorted!!

[SteddieEddie]

Free poster, thats BS, now you are going to have something I don't and I am pissed off

[njjvk]

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWW YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH.

Internet won.

Anyone else see that blog post this morning ;)

[Dr Woomanchu]

So they clarify that they're going to do exactly what they said they'd do, which was the same as they did in their previous games, and to all the guys squawking that's a victory? Damn their PR people are good.

[BushySB]

Congrats on making them waste their time on this unimportant issue rather than using that time to build the game

[Bell]

So they clarify that they're going to do exactly what they said they'd do, which was the same as they did in their previous games, and to all the guys squawking that's a victory? Damn their PR people are good.

SORRY CANT HEAR YOU BECAUSE THE INTERNETS WON!!!
TIME TO GO FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO BE OUTRAGED ABOUT.

[njjvk]

So they clarify that they're going to do exactly what they said they'd do, which was the same as they did in their previous games, and to all the guys squawking that's a victory? Damn their PR people are good.

No they didn't. They said the unlocks would be exclusive to people who preordered did they not?

I distinctly remember it saying "exclusive"

[Dr Woomanchu]

Yeah. You know like when they have an exclusive interview on TV, then the next week it is everywhere. It's exclusive because no-one else gets at that time.

[njjvk]

Whatever man spin it how you want. I'm stoked as.

[Pho3n1x]

So you're going to buy these?

[brucewillis2]

Whatever man spin it how you want. I'm stoked as.

are you going to preorder it now?

"fight the power"

[Munchie]

lol god some people are dumb.

[BROX]

Exactly what I thought would happen. Pre-odering fo sho :P

[MindRiotNz]

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk19ovBKsT1qzw92qo1_500.gif

[GhostOfGallipoli]

So they clarify that they're going to do exactly what they said they'd do, which was the same as they did in their previous games, and to all the guys squawking that's a victory? Damn their PR people are good.

this man gets it


Whatever man spin it how you want. I'm stoked as.


this one don't

[th3fairy]

all i give a crap about is that they are going to actually release BF3. I wouldnt give a second thought to shelling out the $$ for a game that would no doubt bring me as much joy happiness heartache and rage as BF2 did. the endless hours of entertainment certainly was worth the money spent on the games and upgrading pc parts.

preorder to get some cool shit even if it comes at a cost - hell fuckin yeah ive been waiting months for this. even if it means buying an EP and playing it for 30 minutes to get some unlocks like SF. i spent 10 minutes on special forces for unlocks would definitely do it again too

[Dr Woomanchu]

Months? I've been waiting ever since BF2 got too tired to play any more.

[njjvk]

Same. Glad they sorted their shit out.

[Munchie]

Now lets all get angry at proning snipers... wooohoo....

[Machpants]

But going prone looks so goooooooooood!
http://enterbf3.com/images/pwned-anim.gif

[Dr Woomanchu]

Snipers are the main reason I don't mind 3d spotting too much. It just needs to be tighter on how long it stays up. Player should need to be clearly in fov of person who spotted them, not under cover, or not have moved from position they were spotted in for tag to remain. Which means that as long as you're moving spotter has to keep looking at you to hold the tag, but if you're camped in one position tag stays up.

[Munchie]

/agreed

[Emrico1]

Snipers are the main reason I don't mind 3d spotting too much. It just needs to be tighter on how long it stays up. Player should need to be clearly in fov of person who spotted them, not under cover, or not have moved from position they were spotted in for tag to remain. Which means that as long as you're moving spotter has to keep looking at you to hold the tag, but if you're camped in one position tag stays up.

Totes QFT

[han16]

@ OP, you expect too much for too little.

If you honestly enjoyed and appreciated the Battlefield games as a series then you won't mind a few extra dollars to grab some extra content, lets face it the content will most likely be patched in at a later date for nothing. I think people that bitch and complain about a company/dev that tries to ream a few extra pennys out of their product should sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up, its their product and if they think its that good it deserves a little more money per copy then good on them. Especially in DICE's case, they pump some hot shit out that more than meets the requirements for me paying extra/preordering/collectors edition etc.
At the end of the day they are in it for money, you can't blame a man for trying to make a dollar.

[Pagan]

Thats right cant blame the man for trying to make money. No money no BF3. As for me pre-ordered and here is to another couple of thousand hours of my life buried in a game....

[kilabee]

Its simple for me. Make the DLC worthy of my $$ and i'll spring for it. Original content has to be worth it first.

[Emrico1]

If they made the game 2.5k that came with a full rig upgrade, I'd buy it.

[GhostOfGallipoli]

reiterating the point again; this DLC DOES NOT COST

it's a pre order bonus

[BushySB]

^^^ as above

Also it BF3 who gives a shit how much it costs

[DeiCidal]

I dont find anything wrong with paying EA for character skins and maps that are developed after the game is released. Making the game last longer. In BFBC2 they brought out a few new maps and the Specact kit. Im sure there are other games that do the same thing, #cough# Guildwars, probably Wow.

[mycoolcar]

Additional DLC is nothing new. BF2 had the Special Ops thing with new maps and shiz, just it was avail on a disc. 42 had secret weapons, and those other things.

In most cases they haven't been widely played though as they were shit.

[mattnz]

It wasn't that they were shit per se, just that it was easier to get a game on vanilla because more people had it, so that's what people did.

[mycoolcar]

Nah, secret weapons expansion/DLC sucked.

[mattnz]

I think Secret Weapons was a little bit before DLC.