Longevity

[Xt1ncT]

OK, now we've all had CoD4 for a few weeks what are people's thoughts about longevity.

BF2 had it's faults, but it's still going on pretty strong after 2 years - do you think CoD4 will last as long?

My thoughts are that it won't. Why not? Well for one, rank ups happen too quickly IMO, so for people who like the chellenge of getting a new rank/gun/perk/challenge the thrill of it finishes too soon. Anything else? Well for me the game just seems a little bit too spammy. A lot of times I've taken time to fire bursts, and aim etc, only to be killed by a prolonged spray. What else? It's been said before etc, but for me S&D is just CS with different skins, so the scrimming side whilst enjoyable, won't last a long time.

Having said the above, I do enjoy the game - I suck at FPS as well so haven't ranked up all the way yet so there's still some of that to do - but I do have concerns that it really won't have the staying power of the BF series.

Discuss.

[brucewillis2]

I reckon it'll last long enough for some decent MOD to come out, because at the moment if it wasn't for the occasional scrim this game would probably be put aside for something else as it not just repetitive - it's insanely repetitive.

It's real spammy and the reg is becoming more and more bullshit...watch a guy shoot me in the foot only to register a headshot - that's nuts.

[SirGrimNZ]

It's small maps and quick ranking and gun unlocking hurt it a lot.
The game's mp mode was designed with consoles in mind and will have the longevity of one.Expect to see this die out in 6 months. No online fps can match the longevity of a BF game.

[Scopey]

Well, you never know.

Bf2 started out like that didn't it? And then they had a big stat reset. COD4 might do the same, and reset the ranks and make it harder to get promoted. I agree that it is too easy to rank up. I'm Lvl 19 after 4 hours or so.

The game will last a while I think. Look a W:ET, that's still going and it was released in (*Looks a Wikipedia*) 2003 (Really!? I thought it was earlier!) . Although it isn't played by much NZers anymore. It's all Aussies.

To me, I think I will get bored of it eventually, and I think the scene will die down a little, but it will still be a very popular game for many years to come. I'm sure that in 2 years time, everyone will be clutching their seats in excitment about some new revolutionary game that will be realeased.

[Xt1ncT]

Well, you never know.

Bf2 started out like that didn't it? And then they had a big stat reset.Not really. BF2 just added ranks, and changed some of the levels you need to get to for some of the lower ones. Originally there were no officer ranks in BF2, and these were added.

With CoD4 the ranks are already as high as they can go, so I'm not really sure what they can do in that respect. Maybe they'll add different challenges at higher levels instead of ranks.

All that aside, as Bruce has pointed out, the game is very repetitive, very very spammy, and I give it 6 to 12 months tops.

[mish]

Well, you never know.

Bf2 started out like that didn't it? And then they had a big stat reset.

As my memory serves, BF2 ranks took too many points to achieve, 10,500 to corporal? The highest being Sergent major of the corps?
Then they re-jigged it and made it far better, however they nerfed the award requirements a bit much (with a few exceptions).

[SirGrimNZ]

Expect some sort of expansion pack with 3 or so maps,new challenges and few new weapons which should spruce things up a bit and give energy to the game.

[-CowwieStyle-]

Imo people who quit cod4 because of the stats being to easy are just shallow short sighted posing fn nubs.

bf2 lasted so long because there was 2 1/2 year drought of sfa all else to play(+ the mixture of vehicles and infantry combat rocked). Cod4 wont last as long because there is more competition out there gamewise these days(well i hope so, as much as i like cod4 i dont want to go for another 2 1/2 year drought of sfa choice).

Cod4 has its faults it still needs tweaks, there is still room for improvement(and these tweaks are on the way and modding is available), if one wants to look at in "lastest and greatest" viewpoint the game will die very soon now cos "n0th1ng n3w happ3ns", if one wants to talk about gameplay from round to round against quality opponents the game has a fair amount of time left before it dies/gets superseeded by a better game.

[Xt1ncT]

I'd like to see bigger maps, with maybe some new types of game.

Headquarters can be fun, S&D is just CS with new skins, TDM is fun, but has limited appeal long term.

[KiLL3r]

since the game is really just a console port in a shiny suit, the whole game was designed for consoles with PC's as an after thought.

And you can pull out the line "it was designed for competition", which is a half truth because it was designed for console comps not PC ones. You cant really tell me a game as spammy as COD4 relys on skill for competition?

i give it another 2-3 months

[-CowwieStyle-]

It's real spammy and the reg is becoming more and more bullshit...watch a guy shoot me in the foot only to register a headshot - that's nuts.

or the view cam is borked/lies.

mmm bf2 infantry only is way more spammy and about as repetitive! yet...

[-CowwieStyle-]

I'd like to see bigger maps, with maybe some new types of game.



The games engine is definately up to it.

[SirGrimNZ]

On a final note,to give this game some legs take these steps IW

1)Release patch which makes ranking up take 5x longer than current,also in patch,add in Prestige Mode.
2)Release expansion pack.

[switch.]

It is not a console port, that is completely wrong. The maps are small because this game is designed to play 5v5, just look at CSS maps they are all small aswell.

people that complain about not enough ranks and challenges make me laugh, if you play a game simply to earn online awards your in it for the wrong reason anyway. CSS has no ranks no unlocks no awards and people continue to play it. you have to learn to play the game for your own enjoyment and to improve your skills rather than playing it to earn some shiny little badge.

sure some people may leave the game because they have run out of things to unlock, but there will be plenty of people that continue to play because the love the game. CoD2 is still going strong in australia so i see no reason that this game will die of any time soon.

[KiLL3r]

It is not a console port, that is completely wrong. The maps are small because this game is designed to play 5v5,

thats such a bullshit excuse, did you read that straight from the company line?

if your gonna make small maps for 5v5 any decent company would have the smarts to make larger maps for servers that run 32players +

[GhostOfGallipoli]

it's not often i agree with switch but he's 100% on the money this time

[Xt1ncT]

The maps are small because this game is designed to play 5v5, just look at CSS maps they are all small aswell.I don't buy that one bit.

If it was designed just for 5v5 why would it be able to have 32 players a side? Besides, I don't think you can call maps like De_dust2 small.


people that complain about not enough ranks and challenges make me laugh, if you play a game simply to earn online awards your in it for the wrong reason anyway. I agree in part with what you are saying. The thing is, it's fun to see your progress against other peoples, and sure that only means that ranks=times played so is no real indicator of skill etc.

However, you've missed the most important thing that I among others have said.

The game is far too spammy. Even in CSS if you just spray you hit less than in CoD4. And that is what will drive people away more than the fact that you gain ranks too quickly.

Put it this way - in BF2 I rarely win a map. I'm not good enough. However, in CoD4 I've won my fair share of rounds, and sure airstrikes and choppers help, but I've still been there. So that in itself shows that the challenge of this game is less than that of other games, which is another reason people will leave it.

For me, the Crysis idea of gaining ranks by completing objectives is a better idea rahter than time polayed = ranks.

[Xt1ncT]

thats such a bullshit excuse, did you read that straight from the company line?

if your gonna make small maps for 5v5 any decent company would have the smarts to make larger maps for servers that run 32players +


it's not often i agree with switch but he's 100% on the money this time


Personally I think he's missed the mark and Killer is more on the money.

[swindle]

Ah, a few things here for me...


I reckon it'll last long enough for some decent MOD to come out, because at the moment if it wasn't for the occasional scrim this game would probably be put aside for something else as it not just repetitive - it's insanely repetitive.

It's real spammy and the reg is becoming more and more bullshit...watch a guy shoot me in the foot only to register a headshot - that's nuts.
CS:S for example, you could spam at the ground and reg a HS. That was basicly the way to do it...

Bf2 reg was shit, so now that you have a game with good reg (it may a little dog where it reg's) its still not good enough...

As for it being repetitive, try different game modes...


Imo people who quit cod4 because of the stats being to easy are just shallow short sighted posing fn nubs.
Short sighted is true.


bf2 lasted so long because there was 2 1/2 year drought of sfa all else to play(+ the mixture of vehicles and infantry combat rocked). Cod4 wont last as long because there is more competition out there gamewise these days(well i hope so, as much as i like cod4 i dont want to go for another 2 1/2 year drought of sfa choice).
I think that may be the reason for bf2 lasting, tbh i can't think of much that really stood a chance against it...


since the game is really just a console port in a shiny suit, the whole game was designed for consoles with PC's as an after thought.

And you can pull out the line "it was designed for competition", which is a half truth because it was designed for console comps not PC ones. You cant really tell me a game as spammy as COD4 relys on skill for competition?

i give it another 2-3 months
Again, not a console port.

So no other games are spammy? So the RPK from bf2 or the MP5, M4 or AK from Css never turned into spray and pary? Of course they did. That was basicly the name of the game.


The games engine is definately up to it.
Fuck yeah. Very impressed by the engine. I hope they contiune using it for some of there next titles.


On a final note,to give this game some legs take these steps IW

1)Release patch which makes ranking up take 5x longer than current,also in patch,add in Prestige Mode.
2)Release expansion pack.
Who honestly cares about the rank?

The rank system in bf2 was fucking lame, it took way to long to rank up which killed the game for me seeing as how i cant dedicate my whole life to it. Css had no ranks and is still the biggest game out today.

This game is only spam if you make it. I don't spam (well not unless i have to) and every other FPS out uses spam. Its just not quite so obvious.

[swindle]

thats such a bullshit excuse, did you read that straight from the company line?

if your gonna make small maps for 5v5 any decent company would have the smarts to make larger maps for servers that run 32players +
64 player dd2 servers anyone?

You guys are tearing this game down when its hardy been a month. How is that fair?

How about having a harsh opinion in 6 months?

Xtinct, how about we have a jam tonight? Ill give you a run for your money. This game is a lot about tatics, not just some uber pro aim.

No one is REALLY good yet, people are still learning the ropes. Give it more then a month before you start saying its nub nub spam and quick ranks.

Cheers for the neg rep kill3r, your the one having a fucking moan. All i said in the auto sniper thread was the way people spam it cracks me up, how the fuck is that moaning?!

Your jumping in here with nothing positave to say on anything, so how about you stop moaning and fuck off to Crysis if its more your thing.

[swindle]

You guys are tearing this game down when its hardy been a month. How is that fair?

How about having a harsh opinion in 6 months?

Xtinct, how about we have a jam tonight? Ill give you a run for your money. This game is a lot about tatics, not just some uber pro aim.

No one is REALLY good yet, people are still learning the ropes. Give it more then a month before you start saying its nub nub spam and quick ranks.

[Xt1ncT]

Some stuff he saidWHilst I agree with a lot of what you are saying, here's the thing.

Whilst a lot of the other games have been very spammy, CoD4 is new, on a new engine, so they had a chance to make it not spammy. A very good chance. But they failed.

They also had a chance to bring in new game modes. But didn't.

As for ranks etc, people find them fun. OK so you don't, but I bet the majority of people do. I like to measure how well I've done in a round and the points tell me. The problem with that is that after a couple of days playing time (maybe longer for us nubs) that part of the fun is lost.

I really hope there is a mod or expansion that makes the best use of the engine, and really brings us a game worth playing for some time to come.

[Xt1ncT]

Xtinct, how about we have a jam tonight? Ill give you a run for your money. This game is a lot about tatics, not just some uber pro aim. I'll more than likely be on tonight.

But that's the thing, you'll beat me 'cos I suck at FPS - getting old and all..!!!:rnr:

However, I do sometimes win the round, which I shouldn't because I'm not good enough.

[swindle]

I'll more than likely be on tonight.

But that's the thing, you'll beat me 'cos I suck at FPS - getting old and all..!!!:rnr:

However, I do sometimes win the round, which I shouldn't because I'm not good enough.
A lot of people are just not good enough :D lol

Do you have Xfire?

[swindle]

WHilst I agree with a lot of what you are saying, here's the thing.

Whilst a lot of the other games have been very spammy, CoD4 is new, on a new engine, so they had a chance to make it not spammy. A very good chance. But they failed.

They also had a chance to bring in new game modes. But didn't.

As for ranks etc, people find them fun. OK so you don't, but I bet the majority of people do. I like to measure how well I've done in a round and the points tell me. The problem with that is that after a couple of days playing time (maybe longer for us nubs) that part of the fun is lost.

I really hope there is a mod or expansion that makes the best use of the engine, and really brings us a game worth playing for some time to come.
I also agree, rank whores will not find this a very good game. Game modes, well at leat they have 8 or whatever, Css and BF2 have none...

I bet there will be an expansion highlighting these issues, but could we give the game longer then a month, yea?

[KiLL3r]

Again, not a console port.

So no other games are spammy? So the RPK from bf2 or the MP5, M4 or AK from Css never turned into spray and pary? Of course they did. That was basicly the name of the game.




the RPK from bf2 overheats when you hold down the trigger.

in COD4 you can hold down the trigger until you run out of ammo!

[swindle]

the RPK from bf2 overheats when you hold down the trigger.

in COD4 you can hold down the trigger until you run out of ammo!
But untill it overheats your still spamming it...

If you feel the need to hold it down.

I never do. I only use the M16, i like the burst fire. I do get a bit spammy with the MP5 up close, but over range the MP5 spam is fucking usless...

[Fubar]

As for ranks etc, people find them fun. OK so you don't, but I bet the majority of people do. I like to measure how well I've done in a round and the points tell me. The problem with that is that after a couple of days playing time (maybe longer for us nubs) that part of the fun is lost.



Blame BF2 for all of the above.

I've been gaming for so many years now its not funny. BF2 was the first game I have ever played with online ranks etc, and quite frankly ruined the game.

BF1942, BFV, Quake 3. They had no E-peen ranks etc and they went the distance and I could play for hours and enjoyed the games, and still do.

BF2 became a grind because all people cared about were their precious ranks and KDR's. BF2's legacy is no to ruin all future games because people want unlocks and ranks now rather than getting donw to the core and enjoying the game

[KiLL3r]

i wouldnt say ranks are bad just some people take them far too seriously. i like it when theres something in the game to aim for other than being first at the end of the round.

[switch.]

there is going to be a MOD, its called PAM4 and hopefully will be released soon. it allows you to fully tweak all the game settings including weapon damage and everything and will be used in all the comps once its released. im sure there will be a few public servers running it aswell.

[sad.act]

What games modes do you want xtinct? All I see is 'needs moar game modes', but what exactly? Nearly every game mode in every game is OLD.

And the argument about S&D is just CSS with different skins is really fucking lame and annoying to see you repeat over and over. What is your point?

[elemunk]

LoL killer I love how you wank up different made up shit, I have told you many times it's not a console port, actually read up on the game, see who designed what, google is your friend, made up stats are not.

S&D is one of the most popular game modes out, its much like CS / CSS, but hey, guess what, CS / CSS are the most successful (so really, to some degree 'best' MP games EVER released), it's a tried and tested method, 5 / 8 per side on small, tactical maps.

Yep it most definitely does limit the 'freedom' of the game, but I guess alot of people view 'spam' differently, smaller maps means you need a lot more skill and game sense, you need to know timings to avoid nades, timings on rushes, it's just alot more tactical than say BF2, where the maps are HUGE, its a headless chook race, one team just floats randomly around karkand capping flags and you chase the flag capping, there is very little (NONE) tactical play to this (public - BF2) , however you are forced to play tactically in CoD4 pubs, else you gonna get your arse naded to hell.

Cod4 will hang around as long as it needs to, it's all relative, each gamer to their own (hey if making up shit about console ports floats your boat - sweet, that's pretty much the same as me saying, hey killer, crysis is coming to the 360, did you know it was actually designed for the Xbox first?!?!)

If you like a steeper learning curve, with unforgiving gameplay, that lets you master the game down to each and every little aspect (read: competitive, E-sport - what this game was designed for) then CoD4 is for you.

If you enjoy floating around a bit more, with more freedom, but less skill/more spam (read above re: definitions of spam), then BF2 is your game.

I played both, probably more than alot of people here, both games have their ups and downs, but it comes down to the fact that CoD4 is based toward more competitive, high end skill gaming, BF2 is a more indepth, RPG like, arcade game, nothing wrong with either.

[Matt]

I argrre with the "it's made for 5vs5" comments, but some larger maps would be nice. From my limited playing experience I think the game would be better without perks, 90% of the time you are playing 1 gun wonders with double tap+deep impact etc or some little shit who runs about spamming the m60 killing in a few shots.

It definately favours the low poing players IMO, much like css

[switch.]

I argrre with the "it's made for 5vs5" comments, but some larger maps would be nice. From my limited playing experience I think the game would be better without perks, 90% of the time you are playing 1 gun wonders with double tap+deep impact etc or some little shit who runs about spamming the m60 killing in a few shots.

It definately favours the low poing players IMO, much like css

CoD4 has Anti-lag, it makes no difference if you have 30 ping or 100. i know this because i have played on NZ and Austrailian servers and havent noticed a difference.

[KiLL3r]

LoL killer I love how you wank up different made up shit, I have told you many times it's not a console port, actually read up on the game, see who designed what, google is your friend, made up stats are not.

S&D is one of the most popular game modes out, its much like CS / CSS, but hey, guess what, CS / CSS are the most successful (so really, to some degree 'best' MP games EVER released), it's a tried and tested method, 5 / 8 per side on small, tactical maps.

Yep it most definitely does limit the 'freedom' of the game, but I guess alot of people view 'spam' differently, smaller maps means you need a lot more skill and game sense, you need to know timings to avoid nades, timings on rushes, it's just alot more tactical than say BF2, where the maps are HUGE, its a headless chook race, one team just floats randomly around karkand capping flags and you chase the flag capping, there is very little (NONE) tactical play to this (public - BF2) , however you are forced to play tactically in CoD4 pubs, else you gonna get your arse naded to hell.

Cod4 will hang around as long as it needs to, it's all relative, each gamer to their own (hey if making up shit about console ports floats your boat - sweet, that's pretty much the same as me saying, hey killer, crysis is coming to the 360, did you know it was actually designed for the Xbox first?!?!)

If you like a steeper learning curve, with unforgiving gameplay, that lets you master the game down to each and every little aspect (read: competitive, E-sport - what this game was designed for) then CoD4 is for you.

If you enjoy floating around a bit more, with more freedom, but less skill/more spam (read above re: definitions of spam), then BF2 is your game.

I played both, probably more than alot of people here, both games have their ups and downs, but it comes down to the fact that CoD4 is based toward more competitive, high end skill gaming, BF2 is a more indepth, RPG like, arcade game, nothing wrong with either.


lol i love how you talk about this game as if it really requires any skill to run round spraying you gun :laff:

[elemunk]

So then why havn't you been first every game you have played? with a 50 - 0 kdr?

Just because you are epically shithouse at a game, doesn't mean it's shit, it means you have the attention spam of a rodent, and the mentality of a three year old child.

So now that I seem to have your attention for longer (slightly) than the memory span of a fucking goldfish, care to back up your claims about the console port?

[blight]

It's small maps and quick ranking and gun unlocking hurt it a lot.
The game's mp mode was designed with consoles in mind and will have the longevity of one.Expect to see this die out in 6 months. No online fps can match the longevity of a BF game.

except you know, counterstrike, day of defeat, quake, UT etc
all of which have been going strong since the 90's.

[KiLL3r]

So then why havn't you been first every game you have played? with a 50 - 0 kdr?

Just because you are epically shithouse at a game, doesn't mean it's shit, it means you have the attention spam of a rodent, and the mentality of a three year old child.

So now that I seen to have your attention for longer (slighty) than the memory span of a fucking goldfish, care to back up your claims about the console port?

oo getting personal now, typical fanboy response to his beloved game being criticsed.

and actually i do get first in 80% of the rounds i play, which is suprising because i dont consider myself very good at all. all you really need to be onsidered skilled in this game is a pair of eyes and a sense of direction

[elemunk]

Oh damn, you seem to have lost concentration once again, ok, we will try again.

(big letters for you _b)

Can you back up your claims about CoD4 being a console port to PC?

It's not personal, just trying to display the fact that you actually have NO fucking idea about 80&#37; of the shit the spurts out of your fat little mouth (<--- slightly personal insult _b)

[blight]

so what exactly constitutes skill for you killer? getting in a tank and running people over while they cant do anything about it because noone brought an rpg?

[Xt1ncT]

This thread was supposed to talk about how long people think the game will last, not a cat fight over who is good, who isn't etc.

Personally I can't see it lasting that long because it doesn't have quite the depth of a BF2.

sad.act - my pint that S&D is too much like CS for my liking is just that. Not sure how hard that is to understand - you may not think so, which is fine. More game modes - again what I mean by that is just that - more game modes. You may ask what - I don't know, I'm not a game designer or developer. What I do know is that re-hashing the same format as other games gets tired quite quickly. CS has lasted because it was an original - it was actually a mod before it became a game in it's own right.

So yeah, those are my thoughts, any chance we can carry the thread on in the same light. You may think the game is going to last as long as BF2 - why is that? You may agree with me, but for different reasons - please expand.

[KiLL3r]

wow as usual the fanboys comes outta the closet and start harrasing anyone who doesnt conform to their opinion.


As xtinct said this isnt about the game itself, its about how it will fare in a few months time.

[elemunk]

sad.act - my pint that S&D is too much like CS for my liking is just that. Not sure how hard that is to understand - you may not think so, which is fine. More game modes - again what I mean by that is just that - more game modes. You may ask what - I don't know, I'm not a game designer or developer. What I do know is that re-hashing the same format as other games gets tired quite quickly. CS has lasted because it was an original - it was actually a mod before it became a game in it's own right.



The fact that it is 'like' CSS (compared to say BF2) is not really in dispute, but people that say it 'IS' CS/S with different skins honestly have no idea about gaming, at all.

So you are right in the fact that it is 'like' (again, if you come from a game like BF2 - however if you come from a game like say, the UT series, CoD4 will seems NOTHING like cs/s) - my point being, the majority (by faaaaaaaaaaar) like the game style and play games 'like' cs/s offer.

you can never please everyone, so pleasing the majority of gamers seems like the right thing to do when creating a game.

[`Dirty Heathen]

The pubs are spamming madness at times but you scrim this game its all about game sense and tactics you run around spamming you will be dead real fast.
But I still enjoy the pubs it chance for me to keep focusing on improving my game.

Also enough of the personal insults anymore and I will lock the thread.

[elemunk]

wow as usual the fanboys comes outta the closet and start harrasing anyone who doesnt conform to their opinion.


As xtinct said this isnt about the game itself, its about how it will fare in a few months time.

1. you keep rehasing the same dribblish line over and over, honestly, you are a crack up.

2. you avoided (in big letters btw) the question again, you really should THINK before you post.

3. your last sentence makes no sense, re read it.

[Metal-Fingerz]

wow as usual the fanboys comes outta the closet and start harrasing anyone who doesnt conform to their opinion.


As xtinct said this isnt about the game itself, its about how it will fare in a few months time.

in all fairness you made a statement of fact not an opinion on a matter. so really its an argument of fact not opinion dont think hes trying to conform you to his beliefs bud

[Xt1ncT]

the majority (by faaaaaaaaaaar) like the game style and play games 'like' cs/s offer.As do I. IN fact I've played more CS and CSS by far than any other game. I scrimmed CS in the UK for quite a while before I moved over here.

My point once again, is that it would have been nice for the developer to come up with something new. Not rehash an old gametype. You see, if I wanted to play a CS style game, I'd play CS. My hopes for any new game on the market is that it will be just that. New. So my opinion is that CoD4 won't last long - you may say it'll be played competitively for some time yet, and you may be right. However, the majority of people don't play games competitively, so for the majority it may well die sooner than it needed to.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the game - I just think it hasn't the staying power of the likes of CS and BF2.

I remember when BF2 came out - it was great. You could say it was a rehash of 42, but brought up to date, but their were also new features - unlocks for example - like it or not they brought something to the game - the addition of squads was a master-stroke, it's a shame they dumbed it down a bit IMO.

So that's what I was hoping for with CoD4, something new, and to be really able to get my teeth into - instead we have what we have.

[Xt1ncT]

Also enough of the personal insults anymore and I will lock the thread.How about just deleting the posts that aren't really discussing the topic?

[GhostOfGallipoli]

how bout every one just exhibit some self control?

[elemunk]

As do I. IN fact I've played more CS and CSS by far than any other game. I scrimmed CS in the UK for quite a while before I moved over here.

My point once again, is that it would have been nice for the developer to come up with something new. Not rehash an old gametype. You see, if I wanted to play a CS style game, I'd play CS. My hopes for any new game on the market is that it will be just that. New. So my opinion is that CoD4 won't last long - you may say it'll be played competitively for some time yet, and you may be right. However, the majority of people don't play games competitively, so for the majority it may well die sooner than it needed to.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the game - I just think it hasn't the staying power of the likes of CS and BF2.

I remember when BF2 came out - it was great. You could say it was a rehash of 42, but brought up to date, but their were also new features - unlocks for example - like it or not they brought something to the game - the addition of squads was a master-stroke, it's a shame they dumbed it down a bit IMO.

So that's what I was hoping for with CoD4, something new, and to be really able to get my teeth into - instead we have what we have.



I think it's new enough (btw GOD it is nice to actually have an E-conversation that actually knows what they are talking about) in some respects in terms of map design, in CS as you will know, there is no cover, no foliage, it's all removed to take the game down to a raw skill component (which I don't agree with), where as CoD4 has so much more depths in the maps, cover, buildings, cars, making it alot more tactical imo.

I can see what your saying about the game modes, but what else is there though? they did release something like 6? game modes, S&D just picked up alot more than the others, I can't really think of much other gamemodes (that have not been done in another game) that would work with a small, competitive format.

[brucewillis2]

there is going to be a MOD, its called PAM4 and hopefully will be released soon. i

got link? new maps with it? *fingers crossed

Swindle you have to be joking about BF2 spammy. Most BF2 weapons the rego went off the scale if you spammed it for too long. You had to fire in short bursts... Now lets look at the p90 on COD4 - fuck me, I'm renaming that to the spamcannon, and any heavy machinegun with grip. It's nuts. nobody mention the GL either...

EDIT/ damn I completely missed page 2. interesting reading here.

[KiLL3r]

i think one thing we can agree on here is thats COD4 is designed solely for Clanners rather than the average joe blogs who plays for the fun aspect only rather than striving to be the best.


maybe it will last in the scrim scene ( i dont know if any big event have taken it on yet? ) but eventually the pubs will dwindle

[elemunk]

got link? new maps with it? *fingers crossed



Think of PAM as more of a server side modding tool, it enables server admins to easily configure alot more server details, there will be preset league standard settings for competitions and ladders all around the globe, hopefully NZ will base most public servers of one of these configs.

It can and does address everything in the game that needs addressing, like nerfing the P90, making the cars not blow up, and literally hundreds of other changes, all configurable.

[Xt1ncT]

in some respects in terms of map design, in CS as you will know, there is no cover, no foliage, it's all removed to take the game down to a raw skill component (which I don't agree with), where as CoD4 has so much more depths in the maps, cover, buildings, cars, making it alot more tactical imo.Yep this is true. The way the game looks and feels is grerat, there's no denying that. Cover etc should be an important part of any game - as long as people can't change settings at their own end to make people stand out etc, otherwise whats the point in having the cover.

I don't know what other game types could be used. I'm not a developer, but I'm pretty sure there could have been something done to make it really stand out.

As it stands, I'm hoping that they can make a couple of bigger maps and then go from there.

[elemunk]

i think one thing we can agree on here is thats COD4 is designed solely for Clanners rather than the average joe blogs who plays for the fun aspect only rather than striving to be the best.


maybe it will last in the scrim scene ( i dont know if any big event have taken it on yet? ) but eventually the pubs will dwindle

Wrong.

CS and CSS are the most played game (both publicly and compeitivly) in the world.

It wont suit people such as yourself, who seem to strive on the 'freedom' aspect in games (big maps, lots of things to do, very open, noob friendly, arcady - not that this is a bad thing at all) but unfortunately for you, as mentioned above, you are not in that majority group.

There have been many leagues, ladder and competitions all around the globe and have already started (and some finished) CoD4 events, a quick google will show you that.

[`Dirty Heathen]

How about just deleting the posts that aren't really discussing the topic?

I should not have to they have been warned.

[Hazard]

It can and does address everything in the game that needs addressing, like nerfing the P90, making the cars not blow up, and literally hundreds of other changes, all configurable.

Just curious, but what's the problem with cars blowing up?
I've seen a few comments regarding this now, just not sure what the deal is.

[Xt1ncT]

Wrong.

CS and CSS are the most played game (both publicly and compeitivly) in the world.True that.

But consider this.

Most people who play FPS and like that kind of game are playing it - in CS/CSS. And I know from experience that CS'ers are very loyal to their game and it takes something pretty extraordinary to move them from it.

A bit like a few years ago when 42'ers swore by it and hated CS and vice versa.

So to my thinking, it could be that those gamers may not move from something they've loved for a long time - I could be wrong, but I've seen little evidence that CS'ers in NZ are going to move.

And if that's the case, why make a game that is so similar in so many ways to a competitor? Yes I know it's successful, but those gamers normally stay with CS no matter what else comes out.

[elemunk]

Just curious, but what's the problem with cars blowing up?
I've seen a few comments regarding this now, just not sure what the deal is.

Nothing on public servers, but for competitive play, the are positioned really badly on a few maps (strike, backlot spring to mind) for spawn nade spots on rollout, if you remember that post i made a while ago regarding nube tubes and pixel shots, the same can be applied to grenades, and the explosion radius of the nade + a car is arsehattery.

[elemunk]

True that.

But consider this.

Most people who play FPS and like that kind of game are playing it - in CS/CSS. And I know from experience that CS'ers are very loyal to their game and it takes something pretty extraordinary to move them from it.

A bit like a few years ago when 42'ers swore by it and hated CS and vice versa.

So to my thinking, it could be that those gamers may not move from something they've loved for a long time - I could be wrong, but I've seen little evidence that CS'ers in NZ are going to move.

And if that's the case, why make a game that is so similar in so many ways to a competitor? Yes I know it's successful, but those gamers normally stay with CS no matter what else comes out.


You are dead right with the comment about game loyalty in CS, this applies more so to 1.6 I have found, but there have definitely been alot of players move from CSS to CoD4 not only in NZ but around the world (game-monitor stats show this to some degree), but CS/S will always be the most popular game out, end of story, I don't think there will ever be anything released that will overthrow it.

So with that in mind, IW did state they were aiming to base this game at an E-Sport market (because that's how video games are growing, not by lans, but by huge events like WCG and CPL (http://www.thecpl.com/), and to make it in that market, that genre, it has to be watchable, history has proven that in regards to FPS games, large maps / teams does not cut it, watching BF2 on tv would be as arse as eating a hat covered in semen then deep fried in pissoil. Smalls teams, tight maps, 'explosive' action is necessary for a game to be watchable (make it in competitive scene), this is why BF2 or any BF series never made WCG or these other big leagues.

So with that in mind, you are pretty limited to what you can do / make.

[[Mgp]]

lol @ cod 4 not lasting long, so cod 1 is still going strong after 4 years, I fail to see how the extremely well put together mp tour de force that is cod 4 will "die" in 6 months or whatever. I think the "spam" thing is exaggerated, sure a couple of weapons need tweaking and that will happen, but it still takes "skill" to do well(in S and D-is all I play-anyway) despite what xtinct and others say.

Cod 4 will be around for a long time yet, no doubt at all.

And what elemunk said, I fully agree.

[xcuzznxtimmyx]

the pubs are crap,

scrimming is where its at....

p.s. cheers TSW for the scrim last nyt, twas fun :D

[sad.act]

if you remember that post i made a while ago regarding nube tubes and pixel shots

Is that the one where you said you will spend your life looking for ways of killing a couple of people at the start of a clan match?

[brucewillis2]

the pubs are crap,

scrimming is where its at....

p.s. cheers TSW for the scrim last nyt, twas fun :D

no worries man, it's the only time I get close to getting the 'rush' with this game. pubs are just a good ol muck around.

The last time I got the adrenaline rush was ETQW - still a bit pissed that game failed tbh.

[xcuzznxtimmyx]

no worries man, it's the only time I get close to getting the 'rush' with this game. pubs are just a good ol muck around.


haha yeah best way to play fps imo



The last time I got the adrenaline rush was ETQW - still a bit pissed that game failed tbh.

yeah, unfortunatly it required alot of team work on the pubs which is what i think made it epic fail pubbing wise.... then again i still wouldn't have scrimmed it cos i didn't like it in the first place lol

but thats just my opinion

[elemunk]

Is that the one where you said you will spend your life looking for ways of killing a couple of people at the start of a clan match?

hey, psst.





































no one likes you.

ps it's not my fault you fail at competitive gaming </3

[Macedonian]

COD4 is almost perfect in my eyes (regarding the style of gameplay), sure there are some aspects of the game that i don't personally like but as always in any game one persons hates are another persons likes.

I think that it won't have much staying power if it was to stay in 'nilla stage but i have every bit of faith in the community to make it a main stayer just as BF2 was/is to this very day.

COD4 will be my home for as long there are competitions to be won.

I don't play games to be mediocre, i play games to win.

[Goldo]

Mgp - I think by lasting, Xtinct means keeping the majority of players around. COD4 is not going strong because there are a number of other FPS games that are more popular. At the moment, COD4 is top (I think??) but I personally don't see it lasting. As Bruce said, the guns are too spammy, keep shooting and you'll keep hitting. It detracts from skill and overpowers the fast firing weapons (to an extent). Even in BF2, a game which a number of people don't think you need skill to play, doesn't have this. You need to fire in short bursts to get any sort of consistant hit reg, single shot is often advisable.

To me COD4 pubs seem very repetitive. Yes, it may be great for scrimming but, to be honest, I think you're going to need pub interest to keep it going. 1.6 doesn't have as much pub interest at the top level but the game has been out so long that can be overlooked. If the game is to continue to thrive and attract large numbers then pub servers need to be successful.

--Fully agree Elemunk, Sad Act is shit and sqL are worse for ever having played his as a 2ndary SL on an inf map.

[xcuzznxtimmyx]

I don't play games to be mediocre, i play games to win.

i play to have fun, but hey each to their own :P

[frostalarm]

i say who cares, well play it as long as we can, its really early days yet so lets just enjoy it.

Like i have said before, when the map making tool comes out, there will be tones of way bigger maps for the game. The only thing is, it takes ages for these kinds of tools to be released :cussing:. In the mean time we can all get use to what we've got. :bounce:

[Goldo]

With bigger maps domination could become a possibility for scrims?

[sad.act]

hey, psst.





































no one likes you.

ps it's not my fault you fail at competitive gaming </3

WICKEDDDDD EMELMUNK LOL!

I fail at competetive gaming? Does that mean I suck at spending all my life trying to win, but still never win?

[elemunk]

I play games three hours a night most nights, like alot of people around here, spose that's my whole life yea.


_b

[Spork]

The servers are full (http://www.game-monitor.com/search.php?search=iconz&type=server&game=cod4&location=NZ)....

[/sarcasm]

Nubs need to stop talking on forums and get in the game.

[Goldo]

The sila cycle:

step1 - new game: cunts
step 2 - still playing game: cunts
step 3 - stop playing game: everyone lovey dovey
step 4 - back to step 1

????

[elemunk]

Servers are looking pretty good atm :P (http://www.game-monitor.com/search.php?search=Gamers&type=server&game=cod4&location=NZ)

godless, while I may be a cunt to those who I feel act like retards, i'm pretty sure the rest of my team doesn't even post here anymore :)

[KiLL3r]

its school holidays (i think) so why isnt anyone playing? have to play aussie nub servers :S

http://www.game-monitor.com/server-stat-image/210.48.63.137:28960.png

[swindle]

Maybe becasue most of us have jobs, so you could imagine that at 12:05pm i can't exactly put down my tools and jump on the my computer 40 odd ks away.

Wait till 7-8 onwards. When most people have time to play, seeing as how games come second to rl.

EDIT: You raised a lot of good points elemunk...

[sad.act]

seeing as how games come second to rl.

Don't you ever say that!

[elemunk]

Cheers swindle, btw, three of the gamers.net servers are full atm, and yep, wait till people who have jobs / dont work from home finish.

[Goldo]

Oi Killer, keep the school kids away from the game plz D:

I got a 4 day weekend :D

[swindle]

I got a 4 day weekend :D
That would be super sweet.

[KiLL3r]

Maybe becasue most of us have jobs, so you could imagine that at 12:05pm i can't exactly put down my tools and jump on the my computer 40 odd ks away.

Wait till 7-8 onwards. When most people have time to play, seeing as how games come second to rl.

EDIT: You raised a lot of good points elemunk...

haha yous till managed to get on 20min ago thou :D

[swindle]

lol yeah for 5 mins :(

Stupid having to look after a baby...

[Metal-Fingerz]

yea cant wait to get home and have a jam tonight! work is dragging on and i may have to spend some time with the girl but maybe i will slip a mystery drug into her water and she may fall asleep for the night sooner than expected!

[swindle]

I might have to do the same....

[Metal-Fingerz]

I might have to do the same....

hahaha just be careful wit that baby now, just strap it to something or get a leash......

everyone loves leash babies... i saw a photo of myself as a wee one with a leash on i was disturbed for years, still am now that i think about it

[swindle]

bl man, i feel for you on that one. So you wouldn't recommend?

[brucewillis2]

I'll tell you why the servers aren't filled it is because of COD4's biggest failing, not the game but that interface + server search engine. My god its a shocker. Those servers listed come up after about a 2mins... the MB FFA server comes up quickly and is therefore used a lot.

The iconz servers will suffer because of COD4's shocking server search thingy (fuck I'm techincool!)

[frostalarm]

use the search thing on xfire, all the severs come up instantly.

:sunnies::drool::first:

[Metal-Fingerz]

I'll tell you why the servers aren't filled it is because of COD4's biggest failing, not the game but that interface + server search engine. My god its a shocker. Those servers listed come up after about a 2mins... the MB FFA server comes up quickly and is therefore used a lot.

The iconz servers will suffer because of COD4's shocking server search thingy (fuck I'm techincool!)

yea you gotta add them as favourites..... and if the favourites dont show up then what you gotta do is make up and i.p and chuck it in and it will show up your favourites

[Metal-Fingerz]

bl man, i feel for you on that one. So you wouldn't recommend?

hahaha not at all that said it stopped me doing stupid shit as a baby and i did a lot of cabbage things.

[Goldo]

Don't even need to put anything in IP, just hit enter with blank space. Thanks to Killer for that tip.

[Snake_Daddy]

off topic abit

Can some one please define spam for me?

In my eyes its a game that does not reward skill. ie if someone aims better and fires first then they should get the kill.

Which I feel cod does. And this is proven by players like marine. He jumps on a serva and rapes. Now if this game was spammy surely he would have a hard job doing so as any nub should be able to drop him?

Back on topic

Cod will last as long as clans enjoy scrimming it. Or a better game comes out. Lets face it we are all online gameing junkies we have to play something.

And thats why (like cowwie said) bf2 lasted so long there was nothing else better. And I still think bf2 is the best game out but its just so borig now for me. If they release ten new maps and fixed the amazing amount of bugs that is still in it then fuck i would still be playing it hard. But this is never going to happen. Its time to let go guys move on :P

Cod is just deferent and for me takes me back to my cs roots. And thats why I enjoy it. Sure its not for everyone like bf was but me being a grunt I like it.

Simple answer cod will last untill bf3

[KiLL3r]

for me i define spam as a weapon you can shoot without having to worry about bullet deviation or recoil.

ie the m4, you can hold down the trigger and shoot the whole round in a straight line with little to no bullet deviation or recoil at all


if you did the same in real life the bullets would start going off target due to the recoil, thats why they invented burst fire modes

[SirGrimNZ]

So? Iw did say they were trying to have accuracy in how the weapons feel irl.
So maybe the m4 has little recoil,and even that may be,it's much less powerfull than the ak47.Pick ur weapons wisely,they are all put in to provide pro's and con's.

[Snake_Daddy]

yer for sure but comparing a game to real life is always a silly thing to do.

If some cunt was 2 to 50 meters aways firing a full clip of m4 ammo at u the chances of u not getting hit atleast once is pretty slim and guess what it would only take one bullet to drop ya :P

So whats the least spammy game u have played?
And what is the most spammy game? ( dont say cod4 as theres alot more spammy games out there )

[KiLL3r]

yer for sure but comparing a game to real life is always a silly thing to do.

If some cunt was 2 to 50 meters aways firing a full clip of m4 ammo at u the chances of u not getting hit atleast once is pretty slim and guess what it would only take one bullet to drop ya :P

still it makes the game less skillfull. IF there was bulelt deviation there would be more people shooting in controlled burst whichr equire more skill than just letting loose.

heres a test i did. on left i just fired from hip which has bullet deviation.

then from the same spot i used the ironsights and had no deviation at all.

in both cases i just held down the trigger until it was empty.

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/3021/deviationfs1.jpg

[Demkaio]

This thread was supposed to talk about how long people think the game will last, not a cat fight over who is good, who isn't etc.

Personally I can't see it lasting that long because it doesn't have quite the depth of a BF2.


Maybe it doesnt have as much depth...but i feel it has more depth than CSS
yet css is long running...longer running than bf i believe

so im sure with depth not neccisary a factor, i feel it will last for quite some time (well im hoping, even though i get pwnd to shit)

[Snake_Daddy]

killer ur like 5 meters from the wall try it again at 100 meters. Most fps games I have played will give u exact same affect

Not saying I disagree at all I for one would like way more recoil.

[-CowwieStyle-]

lol any time you spawn 15-20 secs later after you die with nads and ammo it will be spammy x that with the number of players on the server esp with random pubbers.

Any cod4 game mod where people only have 1 life = way less spam.

Considering theres sfa all other games out at the moment that are less 'spammy' its bit of a joke to go "cod4 is spammy" x that when bf2 has been a staple diet of these going "cod4 is spammy"

bf2 is the king of spam(by a large degree yet.... :sly:).

[Goldo]

BF2 is the king of nade spam but you can't spam the guns and succeed like Killer's SS shows. Agree with Snake, a bit more recoil would be nice.

[5loth]

4 pages, cbf'ed reading all this.

couldn't care less if people will or won't be playing it on the pubs for 'years to come' tbh,

people will be scrimming it and competing in leagues/ladders, all i care about really.

[KiLL3r]

killer ur like 5 meters from the wall try it again at 100 meters. Most fps games I have played will give u exact same affect

Not saying I disagree at all I for one would like way more recoil.

just for you snake :knife:

This is were i stood
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9895/cd4vw9.jpg
First was hipfire
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3792/cd1ml8.jpg
Second was ironsight trying to keep it on target
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/530/cd2gd4.jpg
Third was ironsight without trying to control it. ( top left and right bullets)
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2403/cd3nu9.jpg

even over range the guns are far too accurate for a constant fire.

[-CowwieStyle-]

maybe it will last in the scrim scene ( i dont know if any big event have taken it on yet? ) but eventually the pubs will dwindle

Define dwindle for us please in real numbers so when it happens you can go 'see see' or are you just going to be ambitious(so you can easily weasel out of it later).

[nataS]

There is one game type they have left out and that's CTF. They've said they will be bringing it in in a patch, but to be honest, there is only a couple of maps that it'll really be successful in.

Like Frost said though, when they bring the developer tools out and people start making maps, it'll breath a new life into the game. They did this in CoD2, re-made some of the vanilla maps and people started playing again.

CoD2 lasted two years and there wasn't nearly as many people playing or clans into it as there are with CoD4 so I see it lasting as long, if not longer.

[KiLL3r]

Define dwindle for us please in real numbers so when it happens you can go 'see see' or are you just going to be ambitious(so you can easily weasel out of it later).

i just defined spamming go get a dictionary or something

[Metal-Fingerz]

Define dwindle for us please in real numbers so when it happens you can go 'see see' or are you just going to be ambitious(so you can easily weasel out of it later).

ambitious=ambiguous? haha why are people questioning the longevity its a good game those who enjoy will keep on playing those that dont will go else where.... its a good game in my eyes and i plan on playing it for sometime, those who dont like it most likely will have walked away from it already or put it down after a few days anyways

[5loth]

ambitious=ambiguous? haha why are people questioning the longevity its a good game those who enjoy will keep on playing those that dont will go else where.... its a good game in my eyes and i plan on playing it for sometime, those who dont like it most likely will have walked away from it already or put it down after a few days anyways

or made threads questioning the game/its longevity :P

[Metal-Fingerz]

or made threads questioning the game/its longevity :P

hahaha that too.

[swindle]

lol

cbf

going to play

[frostalarm]

There is one game type they have left out and that's CTF. They've said they will be bringing it in in a patch, but to be honest, there is only a couple of maps that it'll really be successful in.

Like Frost said though, when they bring the developer tools out and people start making maps, it'll breath a new life into the game. They did this in CoD2, re-made some of the vanilla maps and people started playing again.

CoD2 lasted two years and there wasn't nearly as many people playing or clans into it as there are with CoD4 so I see it lasting as long, if not longer.


Spot on dude :bounce::first:

[broncos]

i'll keep playing this game, cause i love looking at sloth's arse as i follow him round the map, till we find another. but in saying that i miss the variety of bf2, dont care that the hit reg was shit. it had planes tanks apc's hellicopters etc........

[Goldo]

i'll keep playing this game, cause i love looking at sloth's arse as i follow him round the map, till we find another. but in saying that i miss the variety of bf2, dont care that the hit reg was shit. it had planes tanks apc's hellicopters etc........

Amen brother Broncos, when BF2 reg is decent (50% of time for me) it is favourite game by far. Got rushed by some dude in BF2 today, 3 puffs of dust off his head before I finally dropped him. RQ and play COD when that happens :<

[swindle]

Wow, this game is about 1000x different when there are people playing who are good!

ICONZ KOTH tonight is proving a huge challenge as we have player who know what theyre doing....

Makes the game a lot different.

[winfieldsaregoo]

Wow, this game is about 1000x different when there are people playing who are good!

ICONZ KOTH tonight is proving a huge challenge as we have player who know what theyre doing....

Makes the game a lot different.

oi swin is it still the go if so im in

[swindle]

Yeah boy. Jump in.

[-CowwieStyle-]

The sila cycle:

step1 - new game: cunts
step 2 - still playing game: cunts
step 3 - stop playing game: everyone lovey dovey
step 4 - back to step 1

????



step 4 - this game sucks your all fan boys nothing will change my mind goto step 4

or alternatively

step 4 - this has its faults but this game rocks nothing will change my mind goto step 4

= your all fn fan boys of some kind, so drop the fan boy argument when making your point.

(ps thanks boss for the free Christmas booze :D)

[-CowwieStyle-]

Just curious, but what's the problem with cars blowing up?
I've seen a few comments regarding this now, just not sure what the deal is.

I think hes talking about the same deal that used to happen with Americas Army, defending guys would throw blind nads at the start of a round to get cheap kills(AA eventually fixed it so nads could not be used for n seconds at the start of a round =the result nads were used for actual combat situations instead of people getting cheap skill less kills(yeah people could hold back but it resulted in the defending nadders being able to have extra time to get into choice camping locations while the attackers got put at a disadvantage)) when your only got one life its a big deal other wise if you are going to spawn 15 secs later its fn sweet/cool being killed by exploding vehicles.

[swindle]

Exploding cars are all good. Funny when there is like 5 dudes taking cover behind one, cook a nade and have it explode on impact to the car. 4-5 car kills.

[-CowwieStyle-]

its school holidays (i think) so why isnt anyone playing? have to play aussie nub servers :S

http://www.game-monitor.com/server-stat-image/210.48.63.137:28960.png

damn you seem to be getting off on it, you might as well say your just here just to piss people off, running down cod4 comes second.

[-CowwieStyle-]

i just defined spamming go get a dictionary or something


When i first came to iconz i used to wonder why people didn't like you....

weasel :sly:

[Lolo]

if you did the same in real life the bullets would start going off target due to the recoil, thats why they invented burst fire modes

I think you will find the reason burst fire mode was implemented was to limit the rate at which soldiers could expend their ammo.

oh and LOL at this thread.

[swindle]

/lock

[KiLL3r]

damn you seem to be getting off on it, you might as well say your just here just to piss people off, running down cod4 comes second.

no need to get personal. i posted that so people knew what server to join and sure enough 10minutes later the server was full.

so how about you just keep your mouth shut? :disappoin

[5loth]

lol killer you're not kidding anyone.

[Goldo]

lol killer you're not kidding anyone.

Agree with Sloth:sly: