MINE FF

[Lolo]

It's time to bring up this lovely topic again.....I think some of the maps in BF2142 are ruined because of Mine FF being off.

Iconz admins had the common sense to turn Mine FF on on the karkand servers in BF2, I would like to see the same sense used to fix the problem that is APM spam in 2142.

This, of course is my opinion, what do other people think......

Discuss..............

[KiLL3r]

leave it off.

im guessing your posting this because you keep getting killed by apms at flags etc?

[`Dirty Heathen]

I think if the AMP spamage gets as bad as Bf2 did then there should be a couple of FF on servers.

but so far it has not seemed to be too bad I have been killed maybe 5 times in total from APM and there does not seem to be mass amounts of them around yet but I am sure it will happen.

[radicalpsycho]

unlike in bf2, all mines and Demo packs can be taken out with a Zeller.. And i think there is an Eng unlock that can detect and defuse mines and Demo packs..

Its going to suck bad if mine FF is on.. and all newbies.. start running over them..

[5loth]

sometimes the APM spam is beyond a joke,

16P server with FF mines on = win :)


true story, today, i played for a couple of hours.

a guy called, [THC]VINDEISEL spent entire rounds running around,
and as soon as you come across him, he'd pull out his APM and try drop it
and run off, he wouldn't even shoot you.

there were BF2 FF Mine servers,

i don't see why there can't be a 2142 server?

if not, what is the difference between it on bf2, and 2142?

[5loth]

leave it off.

im guessing your posting this because you keep getting killed by apms at flags etc?

some people like variety klownboy..

[radicalpsycho]

I think if the AMP spamage gets as bad as Bf2 did then there should be a couple of FF on servers.

but so far it has not seemed to be too bad I have been killed maybe 5 times in total from APM and there does not seem to be mass amounts of them around yet but I am sure it will happen.


The APMs don't go off the same way they do in BF2..
The direction and distance they get triggered is way more predictable.. + the range of the APM seem less in 2142..

[`Dirty Heathen]

But that wont matter if there are shit loads everywhere they will still do same job and be just as lame as they where in Bf2 when there mass spamage.

And regardless of what you said if there spamed all over the show and you run around a corner there still going to go off and blow your face off aren't they?

[GhostOfGallipoli]

i don't tend to use them that much (I'm at the stage of using field upgrades to get them) but certainly on the titan servers they are mega cheap



haven't really noticed them apart from that

[Lolo]

Yeah, I can handle being killed by them sometimes, but not being able to move round the map without giving free kills to nubs who cant use a rifle suxzor. I'm not saying all the servers should have FF on, as with BF2, you had the choice, I would like to see that choice available in 2142 also.

[`Dirty Heathen]

Will be interesting with FF on with those new round vehicle mines imagine the TKs from those things.
Was bad enough when you had to run them over to set them off the amount dick heads who drove straight over them no matter how well placed they were, these things you only have to be near them and its all on lol.

[GhostOfGallipoli]

Will be interesting with FF on with those new round vehicle mines imagine the TKs from those things.
Was bad enough when you had to run them over to set them off the amount dick heads who drove straight over them no matter how well placed they were, these things you only have to be near them and its all on lol.



i belive they only home in on enemy vehicles by default?


what surprises me is the height they climb to, there has been a couple of times i have been hover capping above a silo and have been taken down by the little fuckers

[smegmacheese]

Motion mine AA <3

[Fireblade]

No we are not going to get the iconz servers ruined like the xtra servers and get players walking on your mines then punishing, FF must be off on mines also you can take them out even with a grenade.

[Arnifix]

Unlike BF2 Mines and APMS can be removed. Maybe on titan mode, to stop the intense whoreage of the titan vents, but apart from that I can't say I've had much problem.

[5loth]

No we are not going to get the iconz servers ruined like the xtra servers and get players walking on your mines then punishing, FF must be off on mines also you can take them out even with a grenade.

if there was one server with it on,

and you don't like it

you can play on ANY of the other servers

[GhostOfGallipoli]

ways to remove an APM


Grenades
Zellor H
Defusing kits

[Menial]

woow noob friendly settings ftw.

tbh the only people who would want it off would be people who only defend the titan.
they sit there setting up their apm mines and sentry guns and wait skillessly for someone to happen past them, gg global points equals leetness

[Fireblade]

woow noob friendly settings ftw.

tbh the only people who would want it off would be people who only defend the titan.
they sit there setting up their apm mines and sentry guns and wait skillessly for someone to happen past them, gg global points equals leetness
then watch the punish rage happen :rnr:

[KiLL3r]

woow noob friendly settings ftw.

tbh the only people who would want it off would be people who only defend the titan.
they sit there setting up their apm mines and sentry guns and wait skillessly for someone to happen past them, gg global points equals leetness

sounds like someone just cant handle getting killed?

do APM's really damage your kdr that much?

[Menial]

sounds like someone just cant handle getting killed?

do APM's really damage your kdr that much?
sounds like someone who just can't handle not using the afore mentioned "techniques"

what's a kdr?

[KiLL3r]

sounds like someone who just can't handle not using the afore mentioned "techniques"

what's a kdr?

i like using sentry guns because they are part of the game. why is it when someone cant adapt to something new they immediately try to nerf it

[Menial]

where did I say sentry guns should be nerfed?

[HyperBlade]

Ill just give my point on this, i know i don't play 2142 but it has similarities.

When i turned it on on karkand the most people complaining were those who whored the claymores all map.

It took 2-3 weeks of adjustment for players, but once it was on, it made a noticeable improvement, there are still players who will drop them, but they have to choose the right location a lot more carefully instead of just dumping them anywhere.

However on vehicle servers it can be a pain with bf2 bugs not showing warnings for mines.

But i see a key difference in that you guys can actually defuse mines etc. That wont stop the spam but is at least one way to counter it.

Trying it on on one server would be a good idea.

[5loth]

i like using sentry guns because they are part of the game. why is it when someone cant adapt to something new they immediately try to nerf it

FF Mines ON is part of the game is it not?

otherwise it wouldn't be a server side option would it?

klownboy, just clarify on the subject, are you against the idea of ONE server (which you don't
have to use if you don't like it) having FF Mines on?

If so, why can't one server have it?

[KiLL3r]

FF Mines ON is part of the game is it not?

otherwise it wouldn't be a server side option would it?

klownboy, just clarify on the subject, are you against the idea of ONE server (which you don't
have to use if you don't like it) having FF Mines on?

If so, why can't one server have it?


im ok with putting it on the 16player server, but menial seems to be crying about titan.
and id watch who you call boy

it will be turned into another titan server after ea cup anyways :D

[Menial]

If I were a more shit-stirring kind of guy without tact and the ability to hold my tongue; then I would say that he is a skilless stats whore with a penchent for titan defend points and was excited that there are now ways to score double points without ever having to face an enemy in combat, I am not that person, so I wouldnt say those things.

The only reason -$ila- Moneyal plays titan is so he can get heaps of points for unlocks, truth.

BOY

[Fireblade]

Hyperblade i now you want these guys to play on the iconz servers but all the xtra servers have FF on, in which i have seen players just not looking and walking on the mines, then punishing, even with guys in my team and just going near them they have a bigger area of detonation.But they since you have the helmet that shows the mines with cross bones you dont now the diff between there mines and our mines.

[Ca5ualty]

No we are not going to get the iconz servers ruined like the xtra servers and get players walking on your mines then punishing, FF must be off on mines also you can take them out even with a grenade.Says the guy who is number 1 in NZ for APM mine kills with over 800 kills :sly:

[[TBP] Simmmo]

The only think about mine friendly fire that gets me is i forget which servers have it on and off.

sometimes i think i am safe... BOOM.

sometimes i'm not.

its not the friendly fire thats the problem - its the punishing.

i say turn it on for all servers to keep it consistent.

[ArtanisNZ]

If you don't see the APM coming its got every right to kill you.. serves your right really, they stick out like a dogs balls after being stung by a wasp.

If you don't see them and they kill you its your own damn Fault.

[Lolo]

I think you are missing the point here, yeah if you get killed py an APM so be it, but the enemy who put the APM down should also suffer the consequenses of putting a foot wrong.

"Klownboy" Lol, I think you hit a nerve sloth.....

[Bell]

Funny the players that actually have skill like the idea.
Any retard can put down a APM right in the hallway of a titan and get a kill.
With no FF people might actually have to use them wisely.

I just think ranked servers shouldn't be allowed to be FF off, its a joke.

[Hazard]

Suggestion noted, I will look into it shortly.

[5loth]

I just think ranked servers shouldn't be allowed to be FF off, its a joke.

ditto, yet these people seem to be arguing the idea that we should be allowed ONE server with it on..

[Fireblade]

Says the guy who is number 1 in NZ for APM mine kills with over 800 kills :sly:
LoL didnt even now shows how i dont even look at the leader board :sunnies:
Still love jiharding the armor

[5loth]

LoL didnt even now shows how i dont even look at the leader board :sunnies:
Still love jiharding the armor

how well is that working for u???

[Fireblade]

Got my recon gold and gold titan attack badges just need gold titan defence then i will concentrate on a different class, loving it Sloth you now how bored i got with BF2.

[KiLL3r]

try crouching when you go past a mine ;)

[Arnifix]

try crouching when you go past a mine ;)
Or proning. Pr0n FTW!

[nick247]

i like using sentry guns because they are part of the game. why is it when someone cant adapt to something new they immediately try to nerf it


have you adapted to clan matches yet?

technically i believe theres a place for FF off because of the hole punishing thing, the best bet is to give players a choice and see which servers fill up with which types of players, similar to how titan and conquest servers are split between different types of players

[Lolo]

try crouching when you go past a mine ;)

So then FF should be turned on because your teammates will just crouch and walk past them.

[KiLL3r]

have you adapted to clan matches yet?



in that case the 16player should be the only ff on server since that clans matches are only played on 16p maps

[Black Heart]

I don't play 2142 so my ideas aren't worth shit.

How about naming the server Pro-ranked server and the others Fun-ranked server. Cause thats basically the players the 2 setups will attract. the battlefield 'community' has 2 very different groups in it.

[Xt1ncT]

I think you are missing the point here, yeah if you get killed py an APM so be it, but the enemy who put the APM down should also suffer the consequenses of putting a foot wrong. Eh? Are you saying that the person who put the APM down should lose points for an NME getting killed by it?

I'm in 2 minds about it.

Yes I can see that FF on for mines is a better way to play - people have to think a lot more, especially about where they are putting their mines/APMs.

But on the other hand, it would be punishment city. TK punish IMO is the bane of the battlefield series.

How about setting up a server with FF mine on and punish off? It would need to have a decent admin presense so we don't get an influx of noobs tk'ing and punishing all the time. If as some people are suggesting it'll be the more established people in the server, the tk thing shouldn't be a problem but you never know.

[Lolo]

What I'm saying si that if a teammate puts down an APM, the rest of the team should have to worry about it, it shouldn't be a problem for friendlies because as Killer pointed out, you can just crouch and walk past.

[Xt1ncT]

What I'm saying si that if a teammate puts down an APM, the rest of the team should have to worry about it, it shouldn't be a problem for friendlies because as Killer pointed out, you can just crouch and walk past.OK, just that the other post wasn't worded very well.

You could have just said you think FF should be on for APMs. ;)

See my previous post. APM FF on = punish fest. Simply because people are stupid. Sure try it out on the 16 player server, but turn off punish as well. It could work very well, and as long as it's admin'd as much as possible the tards should be kept away. Besides, the ICONZ community does quite a good job of administering itself, and said tards would soon find themselves perma banned.

If it worked quite well the other servers could then be set up the same way - at least some of them.

[Lolo]

OK, just that the other post wasn't worded very well.

You could have just said you think FF should be on for APMs. ;)

See my previous post. APM FF on = punish fest. Simply because people are stupid. Sure try it out on the 16 player server, but turn off punish as well. It could work very well, and as long as it's admin'd as much as possible the tards should be kept away. Besides, the ICONZ community does quite a good job of administering itself, and said tards would soon find themselves perma banned.

If it worked quite well the other servers could then be set up the same way - at least some of them.

Yeah that's all I think people want, the choice to play on servers with it on, or off. I'm not saying that FF should be on for all servers.


toughen up baby, cant handle being killed by clays

Unsigned rep for one of my posts, to whoever gave me that rep......LOL. Maybe you should toughen up and have the fibre to sign your rep coments. Weak.

And as I have said, it's not the issue of ME getting killed by APMs, it the fact that friendlies can't be taouched by them.

[Hazard]

I will be turning mine FF ON this evening on a couple of the servers to see how it goes.
There will be an announcement in game to remind everyone that FF is ON.

[5loth]

I will be turning mine FF ON this evening on a couple of the servers to see how it goes.
There will be an announcement in game to remind everyone that FF is ON.

thankyou hazard

[Xt1ncT]

OK, just that the other post wasn't worded very well.

You could have just said you think FF should be on for APMs. ;)

See my previous post. APM FF on = punish fest. Simply because people are stupid. Sure try it out on the 16 player server, but turn off punish as well. It could work very well, and as long as it's admin'd as much as possible the tards should be kept away. Besides, the ICONZ community does quite a good job of administering itself, and said tards would soon find themselves perma banned.

If it worked quite well the other servers could then be set up the same way - at least some of them.LMAO


MINE FF 06-11-2006 15:20 If you're giving negative rep at least be brave enough to post your name. Someone tell me why this post deserved negative??

[spliffted]

I will be turning mine FF ON this evening on a couple of the servers to see how it goes.
There will be an announcement in game to remind everyone that FF is ON.

nOOOoooooOOOoo.

[playerB]

Hazard could you leave it on for a few weeks cause a poopshoote' load of the community are caught up in tEA cup and have zero time for pubbing. <3 Hazard.
Oh and LOL at the people getting angsty against the FF bening turned on.

[Hazard]

Yeah, I'll do it tonight and it will be left on more or less permanently.

I like the idea of having a few servers with it on and a few with it off so that players can have the option.

When I make the change, I'll let you all know what servers will be running FF on.

[spliffted]

Dude FF mines on is so frustrating, 10x more so than in BF2.

There's no point in even using them, noobs run around thinking they're power upgrades or something and blowing themselves up left and right with insta-punish, or you lay one down and accidentally trip over it blowing yourself up.

And with the points system in 2142 your score goes to -30 and you're either banned or rage quit. It sucks.

[Hazard]

That's why it won't be on all the servers.
A lot of players hate FF, a lot love it. So by providing servers with both options, it keeps everyone happy (well, in regards to FF anyway).

[Hazard]

Ok, well I thought the servers would be a little slower tonight with the EA Cup starting, but they are all packed (which is awesome by the way!). So I won't be making the change to FF until tomorrow lunch time.

[SmiLinSniPeR]

Ok, well I thought the servers would be a little slower tonight with the EA Cup starting, but they are all packed (which is awesome by the way!). So I won't be making the change to FF until tomorrow lunch time.

Translated: Had too much pizza tonite an cant be bothered till tommorow. :heheh:

[Hazard]

Dammit man I thought I told you to stop haxoring my web cam!!

It was a Hell Pizza.... Lust with Smoked Chicken.... mmmmmmmm

*cough* but that is NOT the reason.... no sir.

[SmiLinSniPeR]

The FBI made me haxor your cam for "evidence" about you......yer thats it the FBI..

[playerB]

Shit killers right, keep FF off. Infact turn the bullet FF off too and make shure you cant be run over by a teammates vehical. And turn the revive time up to 5 mins and the spawntime down to 1 sec and make shure noone can cap a flag or they might spawn camp, and make shure you have infinite stamina and infinite ammo turned on. Ticket ratios shuould be around the 2billion% mark too.
Dont forget that a kill should be work 5 points and a death worth 5 too just to make the game fair.

[spliffted]

Shit killers right, keep FF off. Infact turn the bullet FF off too and make shure you cant be run over by a teammates vehical. And turn the revive time up to 5 mins and the spawntime down to 1 sec and make shure noone can cap a flag or they might spawn camp, and make shure you have infinite stamina and infinite ammo turned on. Ticket ratios shuould be around the 2billion% mark too.
Dont forget that a kill should be work 5 points and a death worth 5 too just to make the game fair.


Sounds good. :sunnies:

[GhostOfGallipoli]

Shit killers right, keep FF off. Infact turn the bullet FF off too and make shure you cant be run over by a teammates vehical. And turn the revive time up to 5 mins and the spawntime down to 1 sec and make shure noone can cap a flag or they might spawn camp, and make shure you have infinite stamina and infinite ammo turned on. Ticket ratios shuould be around the 2billion% mark too.
Dont forget that a kill should be work 5 points and a death worth 5 too just to make the game fair.



hyperbole FTL