No unlocks for the EA Cup - thoughts?

[Xt1ncT]

Personally I think this is very short sighted, EA have made the game addictive by offering quick rank improvement and so quick unlocks, but then decide not to allow unlocks that are integral to the game in their tournament (which is their right).

So, no demo packs, no motion sensor mines, no APMs. In other words tactical use of the above will not be an option. Taking out commander assets will not be an option. Mining INF choke points will not be an option. The list goes on.

What are your thoughts?

[Captcol]

I would say that they have done this to make sure that it is a even playing field, the only other option would be to turn all unlocks on, and make them available to everyone for the teacup games...to make it fair its one or the other, no inbetween

[Xt1ncT]

the only other option would be to turn all unlocks on,exactly. How hard would that be.

The unlocks make the game better - without them it's shite.

[Simon_NZ]

I think you will find at the finals unlocks wont be allowed, so actually the NZBF crew who are running the show are doing you a favour:)

[Xt1ncT]

I think you will find at the finals unlocks wont be allowed, so actually the NZBF crew who are running the show are doing you a favour:)They aren't allowed in the finals.

But what I want to know is why?

What's the reasoning behind it. Whatever way you look at it the nilla weps are crap. Inaccurate and underpowered. EA did that for a reason - make people want to rank up and gain unlocks and make people want to keep playing. And then they sayno to them in their comps.

Make your fucking minds up FFS.

[QUPHOZ]

im game for it :D

[Simon_NZ]

LOL

the default weapons are fine once you know how to use them

[`Dirty Heathen]

I have played quite few scrims now in 2142 its fine with no unlocks im glad they did it make for even playing field you will just have to rely on good strats and player skill instead of fancy toys which is the way it should be.

The only way I would vote for unlocks would be if they could give everyone access to all unlocks in the scrims then would be balanced other wise no unlocks.

Glad I have only been using default weapons since relese in case they did this.

But anyway like say scrims are diffranly not boring with no unlocks when your playing a good team.

[KiLL3r]

They aren't allowed in the finals.

But what I want to know is why?

What's the reasoning behind it. Whatever way you look at it the nilla weps are crap. Inaccurate and underpowered. EA did that for a reason - make people want to rank up and gain unlocks and make people want to keep playing. And then they sayno to them in their comps.

Make your fucking minds up FFS.

r u kidding the nilla weapons pwn. the only unlocks that are better than their nilla versions is the voss.

[`Dirty Heathen]

I agree killer the only wepaon I have picked up to have turn with that i thought was better was that uber sniper rifle that pwns appart from that give me a krylov anyday.

[QUPHOZ]

all bf2142 weapons sux, beside the knife

[KiLL3r]

all bf2142 weapons sux, beside the knife


wot about my shotgun q it beat your knife quite a few times yesterday :sunnies:

[immorta|]

...Make your fucking minds up FFS.

We did .. and we said no unlocks :P

The fact that you are the minority who seems to disagree surely must say something?

Did you whore the pubs for a higher unlock tree, to gain an advantage over other players by any chance? :P

[Bell]

So I've now read support for no unlocks from sila,engima,oga and imperium players the same players that would get the most advantage over other teams from having an unlock tornament.
(because they play the most).

I think its safe to say they made the right desison that is not only the most popular but the fairest.

In all honesty im happy the weapons/"tactics" you said won't be able to be used will not be in the competition, all of the examples you used require no skills at all and the alternative is to kill manually.

[jonyman]

BF2142 + unlocks isn't designed for clan matches. Its designed to get people who like WOW to play bf2142, you have to see it as a marketing ploy to draw players in. Not the foundation of the game.

[Zing!]

Imagine playing Minsk with unlocks like roller mines, pilum rifle and emp mines. Or Camp Gibraltar with the same AND apm mines, that would be win :/

[Xt1ncT]

We did .. and we said no unlocks :P

The fact that you are the minority who seems to disagree surely must say something?

Did you whore the pubs for a higher unlock tree, to gain an advantage over other players by any chance? :P

I was talking about EA making their minds up not NZBF.

NO I didn't whore it up - I have to work so don't play nearly as much as a lot of other people.

I just think that EA/Dice made the game like it is (without basic equipment) to make people play more - and it's worked to a certain extent with people like killer whoring it up in the titan to get lots of weps and ranks. Then they say oh we want you to get all these unlocks but not use them in our comp which to me seems a bit strange. IIRC you can enable all unlocks in unranked servers (I could well be wrong there) so whores wouldn't have a major advantage, and you'd be able to defend places strategically using other devices than just your knife, pistol and rifle.

TBH it won't effect me as I'm not playing, but thought I'd voice an opinion.

[Lolo]

TBH it won't effect me as I'm not playing, but thought I'd voice an opinion.

Hahahahahahahahahahhahaha, I'm sorry but that's just retarded.

[Zing!]

There is no hit indicator either is there?

[Xt1ncT]

Hahahahahahahahahahhahaha, I'm sorry but that's just retarded.How so?

[spliffted]

Hmm, so not even defibs or grenades....Squad beacon unlock? Shit that's a bit gay to be honest.

[Lolo]

There is no hit indicator either is there?

No, but with netbat you can see the enemy's health bar......

[Xt1ncT]

There is no hit indicator either is there?
Nope, sure ain't.

[Black Heart]

as long as its a global decision and the way its played in taipei, its the right and only decision.

Not that i care. GL to all in teacup, hope you've got your passports ready.

eh? i'm sure the demo had a hit indicator? is it a setting thats set to off for the comp?

[Lolo]

Hmm, so not even defibs or grenades....Squad beacon unlock? Shit that's a bit gay to be honest.

I don't mean any offence spliffy, but what would you know? Have you scrimmed 2142 with a clan?

Xtinct: Why bring this debate up after there there was an 18 page thread about it at NZBF? Did you read my example of how retarded the unlocks could make some maps?

[spliffted]

Nah mate, never. I'm just in this for fun, nothing more nothing less - if I happen to win anything then holy hell i'll be suprised.

I was playing a round last night on a 32 player server and everyone had no ranks/unlocks and I actually got gold star both rounds, and it was quite fun too.

But still, defibs would be nice...

[Arnifix]

Xtinct: Why bring this debate up after there there was an 18 page thread about it at NZBF? Did you read my example of how retarded the unlocks could make some maps?
Because this is Iconz, not NZBF. And there is a hit indicator. It's your targeting reticule.

[Zing!]

In which all points have been covered about four times over

[5loth]

the rollermines are ridiculous, they alone made me not want unlocks in the tournament,

some maps, such as gibraltar, would be fucked with them.

after scrimming without unlocks, i wouldn't want it any other way.

good decision nzbf

[Lolo]

Nah mate, never. I'm just in this for fun, nothing more nothing less - if I happen to win anything then holy hell i'll be suprised.

I was playing a round last night on a 32 player server and everyone had no ranks/unlocks and I actually got gold star both rounds, and it was quite fun too.

But still, defibs would be nice...

Yeah, they are handy, but the game is very different when you play clan vs clan, hugely different from the pub servers.

/ignores Arnifix. ,,|,,

[Arnifix]

the rollermines are ridiculous, they alone made me not want unlocks in the tournament,

some maps, such as gibraltar, would be fucked with them.

after scrimming without unlocks, i wouldn't want it any other way.

good decision nzbf
Are you thinking of the right map? Doesn't Gibraltar just have the walker's, in which case you WANT good anti vehicle mines, otherwise you can just camp the fuck out of the enemy?

Oh wait.

[Zing!]

Minsk would be an abomination also, as would all mass choke point maps, with only attack and defend modes.

[spliffted]

How does the tournament work? Do you play from home or is there a venue where it's held?

no sprint unlocks either :disappoin lol

[Lolo]

Are you thinking of the right map? Doesn't Gibraltar just have the walker's, in which case you WANT good anti vehicle mines, otherwise you can just camp the fuck out of the enemy?

Oh wait.

With all the unlocks available, the PAC walker would never make it in the fron gate, which would be boring as hell to play. How many hours have you scrimmed 2142 clan vs clan arnifix?


How does the tournament work? Do you play from home or is there a venue where it's held?

no sprint unlocks either :disappoin lol

Yeah from home, some other countries are having LANS but not NZ.

Sprint would be nice to have but the game is so fun without grenades.

[nick247]

Some of the maps are gay enough as it is without having to add in unlocks to truly mess things up

defibs, grenades, mines, anti tank rifles,.....the list goes on of things that just ruin a scrim

Once you have actually played without unlocks on a scrim you will understand...until then you will have to excuse alot of the players for not taking your considerations seriously

[Zing!]

meeeeeoooowwww Lolo

[Lolo]

Woof Woof Zing _b

[Steady]

Arny has scrimmed at least a million hours since before it came out, and timed it down to the second just in case someone asked.

I prefer the nilla guns to the unlocks, the H-Baur sucks cock.

[spliffted]

I'll have to hope to god that Slingshot does not fail me come tourney time. Grrrrr.

[Zing!]

just roll out these excuses

http://www.gpforums.co.nz/showthread.php?threadid=337661&perpage=25&pagenumber=6

[RunningTarget]

actual lol at zings link:


Seriously if my ISP didn't suck balls and rape my internet connection like dirty bandwidth whores I would ****ing own at BF2142 and be up on the leaderboard.

[`Dirty Heathen]

the rollermines are ridiculous, they alone made me not want unlocks in the tournament,

some maps, such as gibraltar, would be fucked with them.

after scrimming without unlocks, i wouldn't want it any other way.

good decision nzbf

Could not agree more Sloth I was unsure on relese date about unlocks in the comp but the more scrim time I have had with 2142 the more I have gone towards no unlocks.


And as Nick said and I dont mean to sound arrogant but it hard to understand if you have never played scrims in 2142 or even Bf2 for that matter.

[Black Heart]

Noo! They're using $ila mind tricks to psych out the oppposition, luckily we all know they are good blokes deep deep down, which will show once the game faces are back off.

[Lolo]

We love man secks

[Simon_NZ]

dont we know it

[QUPHOZ]

only unlock ill like to see is Defib,

btw that defib owns aswell.

[Lolo]

only unlock ill like to see is Defib,

btw that defib owns aswell.
Thing with the defib in scrims is that tactics just go out the window as you just rush the flag and revive anyone who falls on the way. Without Defibs, it makes the game a lot harder and more fun to play in a tactical sense. Without them, it means every little thing you do matters. some people arn't looking for this in their gaming experience but trust me, it's better that they're not there for this tourny......

[spliffted]

just roll out these excuses

http://www.gpforums.co.nz/showthread.php?threadid=337661&perpage=25&pagenumber=6

lol if I end up getting owned, I will use every excuse in the book and then some. :bounce:

[QUPHOZ]

fucken lag

[Xt1ncT]

Xtinct: Why bring this debate up after there there was an 18 page thread about it at NZBF? As Arni said, this isn't NZBF and some people aren't members of the forum, or don't participate in them.

[Lolo]

It is a public forum over there so anyone can go have a quick looksie, and see that it has been debated to death already. Anyway the decision hs been made, and everyone that matters is happy.

[Xt1ncT]

and everyone that matters is happy.......quality.

[nick247]

its not often that you can ever say what lolo said, in any tourny there is usually 25% of top players who hate the settings, so for pretty much everyone in the tourny who will be near the top to like the settings is a pretty damn good thing (rare indeed)

[KiLL3r]

i thought sila where the ones who wanted unlocks in the first place :confused:

[5loth]

i thought sila where the ones who wanted unlocks in the first place :confused:

before scrimming with them yeah we thought it would be fine,
but after scrimming the game we've learnt that the game isn't really set up well for
unlocks + clan games. alot of the unlocks are, 'nub friendly', and take
alot of the skill out of the game.

challenge = fun for me

[Black Heart]

so i heard sila's original plan was to play teacup & then drop bf2142, is that still the case? or do you think 2142 has some life in it . I realise each member may have different ideas about it. just curious.

[spliffted]

I assume the tournament will be Conquest mode only?

[5loth]

so i heard sila's original plan was to play teacup & then drop bf2142, is that still the case? or do you think 2142 has some life in it . I realise each member may have different ideas about it. just curious.

the full game is alot better than the demo,

so we will have to wait and see.

personally, i won't be as i don't actually own a PC and have just borrowed one for the tournament :)

[Bell]

Once unlocked scrims begin I dont think ill be playing this in a scrim.
Im enjoying the 2142 matches so far because of the novelty of having no defibs.

[spliffted]

Wtf what's so bad about defibs, you don't like keeping your teammates alive? :/

[Lolo]

so i heard sila's original plan was to play teacup & then drop bf2142, is that still the case? or do you think 2142 has some life in it . I realise each member may have different ideas about it. just curious.


Yeah that was my plan, but I love the game now, I am so suprised at how good it is. It is definately something I can keep playing.


i thought sila where the ones who wanted unlocks in the first place :confused:

You are right, I was one member of $ila who wanted unlocks at the start, before I scrimmed it properly, as 5loth said. I was dead wrong to think unlocks would be a good idea......


......quality.

Sarcasm? Lets just put it this way, You aren't even playing in the damn thing so why does your opinion matter one single little bit? Also why do you care?

[Fubar]

Wtf what's so bad about defibs, you don't like keeping your teammates alive? :/

Because games will end up like last years final where it was a standoff that dragged on for about 15 minutes. Where it had two teams of medics taking pot shots at each other and reviving. Came down to which team had the better medics.

Scrims we have had in 2142 are fast paced closed quater combat just how it should be. Players need to rely on skill and staying alive rather than being a rambo knowing that a medic is backing you up

[spliffted]

Cool, now that you put it that way it does sound better for a tournament type atmosphere. I'm used to playing gunho rambo style, so i'm gonna have to practice more infantry based teamwork matches.

[Xt1ncT]

Because games will end up like last years final where it was a standoff that dragged on for about 15 minutes. Where it had two teams of medics taking pot shots at each other and reviving. Came down to which team had the better medics.

Scrims we have had in 2142 are fast paced closed quater combat just how it should be. Players need to rely on skill and staying alive rather than being a rambo knowing that a medic is backing you upAt last an answer the shows what someone thinks, with an example.

+1 rep.

Lolo - my opinion matters as much as anyone who posts anything on things, probably not a great deal. The fact that I've decided not to play does not mean I can't have an opinion, and voice that opinion if I wish to do so.

[Simon_NZ]

this thread fails.

[Lolo]

At last an answer the shows what someone thinks, with an example.

+1 rep.

Lolo - my opinion matters as much as anyone who posts anything on things, probably not a great deal. The fact that I've decided not to play does not mean I can't have an opinion, and voice that opinion if I wish to do so.


Whatever dude, it just seems silly to have a moan about something that won't even effect you.

And how has all the other examples of peoples scrimming experiences not affected your opinion? What Fubar has siad only covers one tiny aspect of the game......


this thread fails.

Sorry, I have been trying to spice it up with a few catty remarks but to no avail......sorry to have let you down again Simon, I know how much it means to you when you can watch me in full flight.......

[Simon_NZ]

dont say that lolo, ur always my little precious.

i even repd to show i care

[Xt1ncT]

And how has all the other examples of peoples scrimming experiences not affected your opinion? What Fubar has said only covers one tiny aspect of the game......

Where did I say it affected my opinion?

I still think unlocks would be better. That isn't going to change.

You don't agree with me, and that's fine but resorting to "catty remarks", and snide comments like "and everyone that matters is happy" is pretty sad and unnecessary.

Oh well, each to their own I suppose.

Got lock anyone....Hazard??

[Lolo]

Where did I say it affected my opinion?

I still think unlocks would be better. That isn't going to change.

You don't agree with me, and that's fine but resorting to "catty remarks", and snide comments like "and everyone that matters is happy" is pretty sad and unnecessary.

Oh well, each to their own I suppose.

Got lock anyone....Hazard??


Just trying to spice it up a bit yo, it's not like I hurt your feelings is it?

And I stand by that comment, as it seems you are the only person who is now taking the time to post a thread about this issue and seeing as you are not playing, you don't matter.